The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 36,819
Member is Online
|
Post by The Bishop on May 6, 2024 11:13:47 GMT
Which two? Defections to the Liberal Democrats ( Caroline Nokes perhaps?) seem more likely in my opinion. As said before, she is very likely in the "if they were ever going to defect they would have done it some time ago" category.
|
|
|
Post by iainbhx on May 6, 2024 17:02:08 GMT
I'd love to know why people think we'd have her.
|
|
European Lefty
Labour
Can be bribed with salted liquorice
Posts: 5,666
|
Post by European Lefty on May 6, 2024 17:21:29 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to
|
|
|
Post by stb12 on May 6, 2024 17:37:13 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to Agreed, it’s too much of a win against an opposing party to reject it unless the individual is seriously beyond the pale for some reason
|
|
|
Post by batman on May 6, 2024 17:42:32 GMT
They accepted Peter Thurnham in the back end of the 1997 Parliament - a supporter of capital punishment
|
|
|
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 6, 2024 17:58:10 GMT
|
|
|
Post by batman on May 6, 2024 18:42:09 GMT
I think Stephen Ross voted for capital punishment at least once too. However, by the later 1990s such an attitude was generally regarded as beyond the pale in the Lib Dems as it was in the Labour Party
|
|
Sibboleth
Labour
'Sit on my finger, sing in my ear, O littleblood.'
Posts: 15,372
|
Post by Sibboleth on May 6, 2024 18:44:15 GMT
Always amusing to see Arthur Lewis on those lists. Given that he was a bit of a tankie I suppose this showed some sort of consistency, though one must be careful to avoid the word 'thought' in describing this.
|
|
|
Post by Merseymike on May 6, 2024 19:13:43 GMT
Always amusing to see Arthur Lewis on those lists. Given that he was a bit of a tankie I suppose this showed some sort of consistency, though one must be careful to avoid the word 'thought' in describing this. Jack Dunnett was also a Labour MP - I think Nottingham East. And Leslie Spriggs, St. Helens
|
|
|
Post by batman on May 6, 2024 19:19:28 GMT
you are correct about Dunnett. He was a football club chairman & a Labour MP. Retired in 1983 & the Tories gained the seat
|
|
The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
Posts: 36,819
Member is Online
|
Post by The Bishop on May 6, 2024 19:23:52 GMT
By the time of the summer 1983 vote on capital punishment (maybe the most determined attempt to restore it) the only MPs voting for who were not Tory or some sort of NI Unionist were the aforementioned Cyril Smith and Donald Stewart, SNP member for the Western Isles. I'm sure there was a Labour candidate in 2010 who was pro - maybe Sittingbourne and Sheppey given that I definitely recall Pimpernal referencing them in the "old place"?
|
|
Sibboleth
Labour
'Sit on my finger, sing in my ear, O littleblood.'
Posts: 15,372
|
Post by Sibboleth on May 6, 2024 19:27:14 GMT
Always amusing to see Arthur Lewis on those lists. Given that he was a bit of a tankie I suppose this showed some sort of consistency, though one must be careful to avoid the word 'thought' in describing this. Jack Dunnett was also a Labour MP - I think Nottingham East. And Leslie Spriggs, St. Helens Yes. A very curious collections of MPs who can't have agreed on much else - other than the things that all Labour MPs will agree on.
|
|
|
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 6, 2024 19:27:45 GMT
The final Labour MP to vote for capital punishment in 1975 was Peter Doig (Dundee West). He was a firm believer in laura norder who spoke out in favour of emergency regulations to crack down on strikers. Like many right-wingers he opposed Scottish devolution in the 1970s. He joined the SDP in 1981.
|
|
Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
Posts: 11,565
|
Post by Khunanup on May 6, 2024 21:30:13 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some.
|
|
|
Post by stb12 on May 6, 2024 22:04:57 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. You’d certainly think that 2019 when she was one of the 20 odd MPs that got the whip removed over Brexit would have been the clear opportunity to defect to the Lib Dems or stay independent like a few of them did. Instead she was one of them who got the whip back and stood as a Tory again so there must be some party attachment there
|
|
ilerda
Conservative
Posts: 1,042
|
Post by ilerda on May 7, 2024 7:40:41 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. Nokes is very much not a “core” Tory. She is well embedded in the party, but she is certainly not at its core, or core to it. Her views have been on the more extreme end of internal party spectrum for a long time, it’s just that the centre of balance has moved even further away from them in recent years. The average Cameroon liberal Tory, in so far as such a thing exists, is still to the right of Caroline Nokes.
|
|
jamie
Top Poster
Posts: 6,895
|
Post by jamie on May 7, 2024 7:44:38 GMT
Genuine question, what are Nokes’ very left/moderate opinions compared to basically all other Conservative MPs?
|
|
|
Post by hullenedge on May 7, 2024 8:05:09 GMT
Genuine question, what are Nokes’ very left/moderate opinions compared to basically all other Conservative MPs? Sadly I can't locate the graph/tweet but someone plotted Tory MPs from left to right on economic views. Jo Gideon the most Left whereas John Redwood most Right. Ms Nokes was very much on the Left side. Most of the MPs were bunched in the centre.
|
|
European Lefty
Labour
Can be bribed with salted liquorice
Posts: 5,666
|
Post by European Lefty on May 7, 2024 9:08:00 GMT
You took Philip Lee. In fact you seemed to take just about everyone in the run up to the 2019 GE. I think most parties in parliament would take the vast majority of defectors unless they had a really strong reason not to No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. Ok, so who did you turn down? Who tried to become a Liberal Democrat and you said "nah thanks, we're alright"?
|
|
|
Post by Pete Whitehead on May 7, 2024 9:13:53 GMT
Well.. Nobody would want Anna Soubry in their party would they?
|
|