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Post by rcronald on May 7, 2024 10:18:40 GMT
No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. Ok, so who did you turn down? Who tried to become a Liberal Democrat and you said "nah thanks, we're alright"? Rob Flello?
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 7, 2024 10:24:30 GMT
Ok, so who did you turn down? Who tried to become a Liberal Democrat and you said "nah thanks, we're alright"? Rob Flello? They accepted him, selected him, then deselected him.
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 10:25:45 GMT
They accepted him, selected him, then deselected him. He also wasn’t a sitting MP at that time either (albeit had only recently been defeated)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 7, 2024 10:33:00 GMT
They accepted him, selected him, then deselected him. The Lib Dems did the same thing to David Campanale.
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Post by iain on May 7, 2024 10:44:13 GMT
No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. Ok, so who did you turn down? Who tried to become a Liberal Democrat and you said "nah thanks, we're alright"? We certainly turned down 1 of the Change UK defectors, and IIRC it may have been 2. I'm not going to betray confidences by saying who the person I know was turned down was, but I don't think it's too difficult to work out.
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2024 11:26:47 GMT
Not *quite* the same thing, but Ian Austin being turned away by Change UK will never fail to amuse.
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 11:31:18 GMT
Not *quite* the same thing, but Ian Austin being turned away by Change UK will never fail to amuse. I didn’t think he’d tried because they had a stop Brexit stance?
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Post by The Bishop on May 7, 2024 11:33:05 GMT
That is the official version, yes - but I believe other accounts are available.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 7, 2024 11:45:20 GMT
That is the official version, yes - but I believe other accounts are available. you tease!
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Post by jamie on May 7, 2024 11:49:50 GMT
Genuine question, what are Nokes’ very left/moderate opinions compared to basically all other Conservative MPs? Sadly I can't locate the graph/tweet but someone plotted Tory MPs from left to right on economic views. Jo Gideon the most Left whereas John Redwood most Right. Ms Nokes was very much on the Left side. Most of the MPs were bunched in the centre. would be very interested in seeing this if someone has a link.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 7, 2024 13:51:27 GMT
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Post by Khunanup on May 7, 2024 14:00:21 GMT
No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. Nokes is very much not a “core” Tory. She is well embedded in the party, but she is certainly not at its core, or core to it. Her views have been on the more extreme end of internal party spectrum for a long time, it’s just that the centre of balance has moved even further away from them in recent years. The average Cameroon liberal Tory, in so far as such a thing exists, is still to the right of Caroline Nokes. And that's the problem, if you and others in your party think that being a core Conservative is dependent on views. Being embedded in a party, which Nokes is massively compared to the vast majority, makes you core whether you like it or not. Especially in places like rural Hampshire where the clubbable element is of high importance. Your entire social scene and relationships is defined by it.
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Post by ilerda on May 7, 2024 15:46:06 GMT
Nokes is very much not a “core” Tory. She is well embedded in the party, but she is certainly not at its core, or core to it. Her views have been on the more extreme end of internal party spectrum for a long time, it’s just that the centre of balance has moved even further away from them in recent years. The average Cameroon liberal Tory, in so far as such a thing exists, is still to the right of Caroline Nokes. And that's the problem, if you and others in your party think that being a core Conservative is dependent on views. Being embedded in a party, which Nokes is massively compared to the vast majority, makes you core whether you like it or not. Especially in places like rural Hampshire where the clubbable element is of high importance. Your entire social scene and relationships is defined by it. I don't think that's a problem at all. In fact I think the alternative is highly problematic. Political parties are vehicles for political ideas and views, not social clubs. If you want to socialise join the WI or go to the pub.
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 7, 2024 16:33:08 GMT
No, we really, really didn't. Again, for those very slow people, Nokes is core Tory. She is completely embedded in the party, no matter how wet she might be considered by some. Ok, so who did you turn down? Who tried to become a Liberal Democrat and you said "nah thanks, we're alright"? I think Shuker was one.
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Post by Khunanup on May 8, 2024 0:54:27 GMT
And that's the problem, if you and others in your party think that being a core Conservative is dependent on views. Being embedded in a party, which Nokes is massively compared to the vast majority, makes you core whether you like it or not. Especially in places like rural Hampshire where the clubbable element is of high importance. Your entire social scene and relationships is defined by it. I don't think that's a problem at all. In fact I think the alternative is highly problematic. Political parties are vehicles for political ideas and views, not social clubs. If you want to socialise join the WI or go to the pub. You do know this is the Conservative Party we're talking about right?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 8, 2024 11:00:52 GMT
Boom again
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 8, 2024 11:04:54 GMT
So you're just taking anyone?
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Post by ricmk on May 8, 2024 11:05:23 GMT
Huh? A really nasty piece of work on immigration - I know we were just discussing defections you might not want for your party. I'm surprised Labour have accepted her.
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Post by YL on May 8, 2024 11:07:33 GMT
WTF?
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 8, 2024 11:08:15 GMT
Just turned on PM's Question Time and was amazed to hear KS mention the "honorable Member for Dover". Not one I expected.
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