Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 30, 2021 13:58:40 GMT
Interesting that she uses the "not the party I joined" reason, I'd have thought it was more that the DUP is returning to previous incarnations. How on earth can she use that reason when she's been the party leader for the past 5 and a half years? It's like if Corbyn had quit the Labour party in 2019 because of the direction the party had gone in for the past 4 years. Utterly bizarre...
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Post by johnloony on Apr 30, 2021 14:05:29 GMT
Interesting that she uses the "not the party I joined" reason, I'd have thought it was more that the DUP is returning to previous incarnations. How on earth can she use that reason when she's been the party leader for the past 5 and a half years? It's like if Corbyn had quit the Labour party in 2019 because of the direction the party had gone in for the past 4 years. Utterly bizarre... I think she was referring to the last 5 and a half days
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 30, 2021 14:21:45 GMT
She is leaving the party because she has thrown a strop over being removed as leader. Her claims to the contrary are self serving and obviously nonsense.
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Post by maxque on Apr 30, 2021 15:15:03 GMT
She is leaving the party because she has thrown a strop over being removed as leader. Her claims to the contrary are self serving and obviously nonsense. She has been removed as leader because the sabre-rattling extremists wanting war against the Catholics took over.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 30, 2021 15:20:04 GMT
She trusted the people in the party she joined, to her they have turned into 2 faced back stabbers, hence she doesn't trust the people in the party she joined anymore, hence, to her, the party has changed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 16:19:07 GMT
She trusted the people in the party she joined, to her they have turned into 2 faced back stabbers, hence she doesn't trust the people in the party she joined anymore, hence, to her, the party has changed. & of course she jumped ship from the UU a year after being elected to the Assembly. Something in the water.
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 30, 2021 17:59:16 GMT
She trusted the people in the party she joined, to her they have turned into 2 faced back stabbers, hence she doesn't trust the people in the party she joined anymore, hence, to her, the party has changed. & of course she jumped ship from the UU a year after being elected to the Assembly. Something in the water. How ironic that one of her fellow travellers, Jeffrey Donaldson, is being mentioned as her “moderate” replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 18:11:35 GMT
& of course she jumped ship from the UU a year after being elected to the Assembly. Something in the water. How ironic that one of her fellow travellers, Jeffrey Donaldson, is being mentioned as her “moderate” replacement. Everything is comparative of course.
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Post by johng on Apr 30, 2021 23:26:53 GMT
My feeling is no, and that she just holds a grudge over those who moved against her. However, this can't be ruled out.
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Post by yellowperil on May 1, 2021 7:22:58 GMT
My feeling is no, and that she just holds a grudge over those who moved against her. However, this can't be ruled out. Isn't there a precedent for ex leaders with grudges starting new parties?
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 1, 2021 8:55:50 GMT
My feeling is no, and that she just holds a grudge over those who moved against her. However, this can't be ruled out. I read somewhere this week that actual membership of the DUP might be as low as 750, so it would be a very small party.
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Post by johnhemming on May 1, 2021 9:02:28 GMT
To some extent the political strategy of the DUP in supporting Brexit has made strong steps towards the unification of Ireland. She has to accept some responsibility for that.
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Post by johng on May 1, 2021 9:42:55 GMT
Isn't there a precedent for ex leaders with grudges starting new parties? Do they allow people to join or is it invite only?
Their website doesn't seem to have a join or support us button and Google isn't very helpful either.
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Post by manchesterman on May 1, 2021 11:06:59 GMT
To some extent the political strategy of the DUP in supporting Brexit has made strong steps towards the unification of Ireland. She has to accept some responsibility for that. Indeed. This hardly requires any deep political insight. In fact the logical position on Brexit [economics aside] should have been for the Nationalists to be in favour of it and the Unionists to be opposed to it , as it made a United Ireland more/less likely respectively. Yet both communities largely voted the opposite way around.
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Post by Merseymike on May 1, 2021 17:48:59 GMT
My feeling is no, and that she just holds a grudge over those who moved against her. However, this can't be ruled out. I read somewhere this week that actual membership of the DUP might be as low as 750, so it would be a very small party. Also, why a new party when there is the option of the Ulster Unionist Party?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 1, 2021 17:54:40 GMT
I think she may have burned her boats with them in 2004.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 1, 2021 20:34:18 GMT
I read somewhere this week that actual membership of the DUP might be as low as 750, so it would be a very small party. Also, why a new party when there is the option of the Ulster Unionist Party? Too much “history” between them?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 1, 2021 20:45:13 GMT
Why would Arlene Foster be a particularly attractive figurehead for a new party anyway? If she was wildly popular then she wouldn't have been deposed in the first place.
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Post by timmullen1 on May 1, 2021 23:53:53 GMT
Why would Arlene Foster be a particularly attractive figurehead for a new party anyway? If she was wildly popular then she wouldn't have been deposed in the first place. I think the logic was summed up by a quote from a recent interview with Peter Robinson which was included in some of the reports of the first move against Foster. He seemed to imply that the DUP moving to a hardcore right wing position on social policies wasn’t going to stop older DUP voters moving to Traditional Ulster Voice, as apparently they are, and wouldn’t appeal to younger voters, who aren’t much different to their peers in GB by being more socially moderate (I suppose as illustrated by polling showing cross community support for same sex marriage, and, less strongly, but still a majority, for the abortion reforms). There seems to be an acceptance that the UUP are a busted flush, and Foster has the name recognition and still some level of support in the community outside the Party to credibly lead a moderate brand of Unionism. However I’m still minded to think that’s all irrelevant, and she’s only quitting the DUP to avoid having to take their Whip in the Lords where I think she’s inevitably heading.
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Post by iang on May 2, 2021 10:55:53 GMT
Surely recent elections have shown that the UUP has nowhere to go? It can't be as credible a vehicle for relatively social liberal / moderate people of Unionist background as Alliance, not have their potential for cross community support, and similarly it isn't going to be credible as a DUP alternative in the way that Traditional Ulster Voice might be, and now it's fallen behind Alliance, how could it reverse that, whether Arlene Foster joins or not?
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