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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 21, 2021 15:49:39 GMT
The right of veterans to get away with war crimes is certainly a strange hill to die on. Maybe not when you’re a veteran who served in a battle zone, where, as Australia are finding out, behaviour wasn’t always what Ross Kemp likes to tell you. This could be a difficult one for me as I have familial connections with a lot of what happened, both in the Catholic population in the 6 counties and in the army. However, the truth is that, like with the case of nonagenarian ex-Extermination Camp guards, I want an acknowledgent of what happened, an acceptance that is was wrong and, if an accused is found guilty, that this be a message to society that we should never allow such injustice to happen again. I have no interest in the imprisonment of septuagenarian ex-soldiers, any more than nonagenarian ex-Camp Guards. It is recognition that wrongful actions occurred that is important.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 21, 2021 21:51:47 GMT
Maybe not when you’re a veteran who served in a battle zone, where, as Australia are finding out, behaviour wasn’t always what Ross Kemp likes to tell you. This could be a difficult one for me as I have familial connections with a lot of what happened, both in the Catholic population in the 6 counties and in the army. However, the truth is that, like with the case of nonagenarian ex-Extermination Camp guards, I want an acknowledgent of what happened, an acceptance that is was wrong and, if an accused is found guilty, that this be a message to society that we should never allow such injustice to happen again. I have no interest in the imprisonment of septuagenarian ex-soldiers, any more than nonagenarian ex-Camp Guards. It is recognition that wrongful actions occurred that is important. 'Sanctimony! Sanctimony! They've all got it Sanctimony!'
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Post by gibbon on Apr 22, 2021 9:45:58 GMT
If the Whip was withdrawn he may not want to apply to have it restored. The problem is that if he gets his way on the Bill then it potentially opens up the situation where former soldiers may face the International Criminal Court instead. As I see it the only way that could be avoided was if the UK withdrew from the court's jurisdiction. This might cause other difficulties for the Government. This comes from making promises that cannot be fulfilled but with this Government that is not new as seen by the existing problems with the Northern Ireland protocol and the deal that Johnson signed just before Christmas.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 22, 2021 9:50:24 GMT
This could be a difficult one for me as I have familial connections with a lot of what happened, both in the Catholic population in the 6 counties and in the army. However, the truth is that, like with the case of nonagenarian ex-Extermination Camp guards, I want an acknowledgent of what happened, an acceptance that is was wrong and, if an accused is found guilty, that this be a message to society that we should never allow such injustice to happen again. I have no interest in the imprisonment of septuagenarian ex-soldiers, any more than nonagenarian ex-Camp Guards. It is recognition that wrongful actions occurred that is important. 'Sanctimony! Sanctimony! They've all got it Sanctimony!' How dare you besmirch a 'great' British institution like the 'Carry On' films by paraphrasing them in such a manner
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 22, 2021 11:33:07 GMT
If the Whip was withdrawn he may not want to apply to have it restored. The problem is that if he gets his way on the Bill then it potentially opens up the situation where former soldiers may face the International Criminal Court instead. As I see it the only way that could be avoided was if the UK withdrew from the court's jurisdiction. This might cause other difficulties for the Government. This comes from making promises that cannot be fulfilled but with this Government that is not new as seen by the existing problems with the Northern Ireland protocol and the deal that Johnson signed just before Christmas. Sod all International Courts. Ignore them. Don't turn up. Don't offer a defence. Don't pay any heed to their kangaroo decisions. No authority is higher than British Sovereignty. End of. And of course we should withdraw from all such organizations as European, Iternational or War Crimes courts and tribunals; and the UN and allied bodies. Interfering foreign nerks the lot of them; up with which we must not put.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 22, 2021 11:36:58 GMT
If the Whip was withdrawn he may not want to apply to have it restored. The problem is that if he gets his way on the Bill then it potentially opens up the situation where former soldiers may face the International Criminal Court instead. As I see it the only way that could be avoided was if the UK withdrew from the court's jurisdiction. This might cause other difficulties for the Government. This comes from making promises that cannot be fulfilled but with this Government that is not new as seen by the existing problems with the Northern Ireland protocol and the deal that Johnson signed just before Christmas. Sod all International Courts. Ignore them. Don't turn up. Don't offer a defence. Don't pay any heed to their kangaroo decisions. No authority is higher than British Sovereignty. End of. And of course we should withdraw from all such organizations as European, Iternational or War Crimes courts and tribunals; and the UN and allied bodies. Interfering foreign nerks the lot of them; up with which we must not put. Sounds like a slightly more blunt J Enoch Powell
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 22, 2021 11:40:53 GMT
Sod all International Courts. Ignore them. Don't turn up. Don't offer a defence. Don't pay any heed to their kangaroo decisions. No authority is higher than British Sovereignty. End of. And of course we should withdraw from all such organizations as European, Iternational or War Crimes courts and tribunals; and the UN and allied bodies. Interfering foreign nerks the lot of them; up with which we must not put. Sounds like a slightly more blunt J Enoch Powell I am both flattered and delighted by that remark.
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Post by rivers10 on Apr 22, 2021 11:48:22 GMT
If the Whip was withdrawn he may not want to apply to have it restored. The problem is that if he gets his way on the Bill then it potentially opens up the situation where former soldiers may face the International Criminal Court instead. As I see it the only way that could be avoided was if the UK withdrew from the court's jurisdiction. This might cause other difficulties for the Government. This comes from making promises that cannot be fulfilled but with this Government that is not new as seen by the existing problems with the Northern Ireland protocol and the deal that Johnson signed just before Christmas. Sod all International Courts. Ignore them. Don't turn up. Don't offer a defence. Don't pay any heed to their kangaroo decisions. No authority is higher than British Sovereignty. End of. And of course we should withdraw from all such organizations as European, Iternational or War Crimes courts and tribunals; and the UN and allied bodies. Interfering foreign nerks the lot of them; up with which we must not put. North Korea want their foreign policy back
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 22, 2021 14:26:43 GMT
Sounds like a slightly more blunt J Enoch Powell I am both flattered and delighted by that remark. I was interested to see his scepticism about other entities infringing on British sovereignty went beyond the EEC. Of course you might have parted on his views on the death penalty.. . He also didnt oppose the decriminalisation of homosexual acts if i remember correctly
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Post by maxque on Apr 22, 2021 15:15:55 GMT
Sod all International Courts. Ignore them. Don't turn up. Don't offer a defence. Don't pay any heed to their kangaroo decisions. No authority is higher than British Sovereignty. End of. And of course we should withdraw from all such organizations as European, Iternational or War Crimes courts and tribunals; and the UN and allied bodies. Interfering foreign nerks the lot of them; up with which we must not put. Sounds like a slightly more blunt J Enoch Powell Surely you mean a threepenny shop Enoch Powell?
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 22, 2021 15:34:23 GMT
I am both flattered and delighted by that remark. I was interested to see his scepticism about other entities infringing on British sovereignty went beyond the EEC. Of course you might have parted on his views on the death penalty.. . He also didnt oppose the decriminalisation of homosexual acts if i remember correctly Then there was his belief in unilateral nuclear disarmament.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 22, 2021 16:03:03 GMT
I was interested to see his scepticism about other entities infringing on British sovereignty went beyond the EEC. Of course you might have parted on his views on the death penalty.. . He also didnt oppose the decriminalisation of homosexual acts if i remember correctly Then there was his belief in unilateral nuclear disarmament. Liked due to it emphasising his individuality not because I believe in nuclear disarmament!
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 30, 2021 10:45:43 GMT
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 30, 2021 10:57:07 GMT
Making her way back to the UUP perhaps?
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 30, 2021 11:18:26 GMT
Making her way back to the UUP perhaps? If she gets a Peerage I’d suspect either Crossbench or Non Affiliated; otherwise I suspect nothing unless her successor is ultra extreme (Sammy Wilson) persuading the DUP’s “moderates” into a breakaway.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 30, 2021 11:23:42 GMT
Was this expected?
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 30, 2021 11:25:14 GMT
I don't think so, but she must feel utterly humiliated by the treatment she has received and have had enough of the back-stabbing.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 30, 2021 12:28:03 GMT
I think she's had enough. I mentioned that a friend's sister knows her well and I knew this the day after she resigned - I'd imagine she won't be short of job opportunities. She is a conservative which says a lot about how extreme her opponents are.
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Post by manchesterman on Apr 30, 2021 12:34:45 GMT
indeed, the fact that she is seen as a "moderate" tells us a lot about the DUP
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2021 12:59:22 GMT
Interesting that she uses the "not the party I joined" reason, I'd have thought it was more that the DUP is returning to previous incarnations.
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