timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 21, 2018 17:17:28 GMT
Yes, Stoke are in the middle of nowhere now, and Bolton basically in a retail park (with rubbish attendances compared to the old days). Sunderland managed to build a new stadium their supporters could still walk to. It's quite handy for the incinerator.  And close enough to Mrs TheGriff's former place of employment for match day parking to be a nuisance. Which - given it's a children's hospice - didn't reflect too well on fans who thought it a suitable place to park. Did she really? I was a Trustee there until a couple of years ago. Parking is very weird; my street, which is in walking distance of the stadium, has nothing, yet the two that run parallel, both above and below, are packed solid. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 21, 2018 22:42:39 GMT
I've been to the ground (away end). It's one of the last genuine right in the middle of the community grounds. You can see into the gardens of the terraced houses that surround it. There have been plans to move them before but they came to naught. Gardens!! Soft southern football ground! My brother used to own a house he let to students from which you could see one of the corner flags at Bramall Lane! (Through the only gap in the stands). Also of course the oldest ground in the world where professional association football is played whenever Mansfield Town happen to be out of the League.. And home of the original United... Many of the northern grounds outside the Premiership have houses near them. It is not unusual.. Well I say gardens - not gardens that ever really saw flowers or grass much. I think we have to differentiate between grounds that have houses near them and those that are literally hemmed in. The old Millwall ground was like that. Perhaps this should transfer to the football thread..... |
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 22, 2018 8:46:46 GMT
East Devon, Ottery St Mary Rural - Independent gain seat from East Devon Alliance who did not contest by-election
Isn't the independent linked to the EDA? If so, what are the swings? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 22, 2018 9:20:16 GMT
It's a technical 'gain' only because the East Devon Alliance are formally associated with other Independents - they even show them on their website as "Other Independent Councillors": www.eastdevonalliance.org.uk/councillors/Note that there are three Independent councillors on East Devon who aren't with the others and are not mentioned at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 10:06:27 GMT
It's a technical 'gain' only because the East Devon Alliance are formally associated with other Independents - they even show them on their website as "Other Independent Councillors": www.eastdevonalliance.org.uk/councillors/Note that there are three Independent councillors on East Devon who aren't with the others and are not mentioned at all. So there are independents in a formal alliance of independents, independents who are aligned with the formal alliance of independents but not part of it, and independents who are independent of the alliance of independents and of the independents who are aligned with the alliance of independents? |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 22, 2018 10:56:58 GMT
East Devon, Ottery St Mary Rural - Independent gain seat from East Devon Alliance who did not contest by-election
Isn't the independent linked to the EDA? If so, what are the swings? Middleenglander does quote the swings Conservative to "assorted independents" and they are not particularly significant. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 22, 2018 10:58:39 GMT
It's a technical 'gain' only because the East Devon Alliance are formally associated with other Independents - they even show them on their website as "Other Independent Councillors": www.eastdevonalliance.org.uk/councillors/Note that there are three Independent councillors on East Devon who aren't with the others and are not mentioned at all. So there are independents in a formal alliance of independents, independents who are aligned with the formal alliance of independents but not part of it, and independents who are independent of the alliance of independents and of the independents who are aligned with the alliance of independents? you've got it! |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 22, 2018 11:54:37 GMT
What I'm still not clear on, however, is which category the new councillor fits into?
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Rural Radical
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Post by Rural Radical on Sept 22, 2018 11:55:17 GMT
There may be more than you think. Anfield and Goodison are still pretty much in the middle of housing, Fratton Park is still in place, you could argue that the Emirates is at the heart of Islington and Spurs are rebuilding White Hart Lane exactly where it was before (they have more space than the Hatters). St James' Park remains near the centre of the Toon, and Molineux still bumps up against the Wolverhampton ring road (though the area around it has been redeveloped somewhat). And closer to me, both Blues and Villa have sites constrained by other developments or roads - the way one stand at Villa Park extends over the road line high in the air is pretty impressive.
Against that, Sunderland moved away from the cramped site that was Roker Park, Brighton finally got their new stadium on the edge of town, Middlesbrough abandoned Ayresome Park among its Victorian terraces, Cardiff City found a more spacious site than Ninian Park could ever have allowed them, Swansea have the Liberty some way out of town and Chester even moved into another country (partly - the clubhouse is in England, the pitch in Wales!) And other clubs are looking to sell inner-urban sites when the time is right. But we digress ...
Of course we digress - that's half the point of being here....  I've been to Newcastle's ground, St Andrews and Villa Park and I don't think any of them are as constrained as Kenilworth Road, probably just by virtue of being bigger (?) as much as anything else. The Emirates stadium now dominates the local area rather than the other way round and White Hart Lane may end up doing the same. I think you're right - the Liverpool and Everton grounds are probably the next nearest to fit the bill. Not been to Portsmouth but I'm sure you're right about that too. Southampton of course, moved back to the area they originally came from IIRC. Goodison is surounded on 3 sides by Rerraced Houses and a school. |
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 22, 2018 12:19:27 GMT
East Devon, Ottery St Mary Rural - Independent gain seat from East Devon Alliance who did not contest by-election
| Party | 2018 votes | 2018 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | Independent | 755 | 59.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Conservative | 421 | 33.1% | -12.3% | -10.9% | -0.4% | -0.1% | Liberal Democrat | 51 | 4.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 24 | 1.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Labour | 20 | 1.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | -9.2% | -9.2% | East Devon Alliance |
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| -55.7% | 56.0% | Total votes | 1,271 |
| 46% | 52% | 52% | 52% |
Swing not particularly meaningful but Conservative to assorted Independents 8½% / 7¼% since 2011 and 2% / 1¾% since 2011 Council now 35 Conservative, 14 Independent Group, 7 Liberal Democrat, 3 Independent including new Councillor Epsom & Ewell, Nonsuch - Residents Association hold | Party | 2018 votes | 2018 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | Resident Association | 766 | 68.0% | +9.1% | +8.8% | -0.9% | -2.0% | Conservative | 227 | 20.2% | -5.5% | -5.2% | +2.2% | +2.5% | Liberal Democrat | 92 | 8.2% | -0.1% | -0.5% | +1.3% | +2.3% | Labour | 41 | 3.6% | -3.4% | -3.2% | -2.5% | -2.7% | Total | 1,126 |
| 31% | 32% | 54% | 56% |
Swing Conservative to Resident association 7¼% / 7% since 2015 but Resident Association to Conservative 1½% / 2¼% since 2011 Council now 31 Resident Association, 4 Conservative, 3 Labour Luton, Limbury - Labour hold | Party | 2018 votes | 2018 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | Labour | 692 | 48.3% | -12.0% | -13.5% | -2.4% | -2.8% | Conservative | 396 | 27.7% | -12.0% | -10.5% | -11.5% | -11.1% | Liberal Democrat | 344 | 24.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | UKIP |
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| -10.0% | -10.2% | Total votes | 1,432 |
| 41% | 48% | 58% | 59% |
Swing Labour to Conservative 0% / 1½% since 2015 but Conservative to Labour 4½% / 4¼% since 2011
Council now 34 labour, 8 Liberal Democrat, 5 Conservative, 1 Independent
Suffolk Coastal, Wenhaston & Westleton - Conservative hold
| Party | 2018 votes | 2018 share | since 2015 | | Conservative | 431 | 50.6% | -2.6% | Liberal Democrat | 340 | 40.0% | +16.3% | Green | 80 | 9.4% | from nowhere | Labour |
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| -23.1% | Total votes | 851 |
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Swing Conservative to Liberal Democrat 9½% since 2015 Council now 37 Conservative, 2 Liberal Democrat, 2 Independent, 1 Labour Winchester, Upper Meon Valley - Conservative hold | Party | 2018 B votes | 2018 B share | since 2018 | since 2016 "top" | since 2016 "average" | Conservative | 1,039 | 51.6% | -18.0% | -14.4% | -15.2% | Liberal Democrat | 905 | 44.9% | +24.1% | +26.4% | +26.1% | Labour | 39 | 1.9% | -7.6% | -13.5% | -12.5% | Green | 31 | 1.5% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Total votes | 2,014 |
| 111% | 117% | 125% |
Swing Conservative to Liberal Democrat 21% since May and 20½% / 20¾% since 2016 Council now 23 Conservative, 21 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent Wyre Forest, Bewdley & Rock - Conservative hold | Party | 2018 B votes | 2018 B share | since 2018 | since 2016 | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 734 | 51.8% | +6.2% | +17.3% | +12.8% | +12.5% | Labour | 489 | 34.5% | +9.3% | +15.2% | +18.4% | +18.5% | Liberal Democrat | 109 | 7.7% | +3.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 85 | 6.0% | +2.1% | +1.7% | -4.1% | -5.1% | Health Concern |
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| -21.3% | -22.5% | -19.2% | -18.8% | UKIP |
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| -19.4% | -15.6% | -14.8% | Total votes | 1,417 |
| 55% | 57% | 25% | 28% |
Swing Conservative to Labour ~ 1½% since May but, less meaningful, Labour to Conservative ~ 1% since 2016 but Conservative to Labour ~ 2¾% / 3% since 2015 Council now 21 Conservative, 4 Labour, 3 Liberal Democrat, 3 Independent, 2 Health Concern
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 22, 2018 13:08:08 GMT
It's a technical 'gain' only because the East Devon Alliance are formally associated with other Independents - they even show them on their website as "Other Independent Councillors": www.eastdevonalliance.org.uk/councillors/Note that there are three Independent councillors on East Devon who aren't with the others and are not mentioned at all. So there are independents in a formal alliance of independents, independents who are aligned with the formal alliance of independents but not part of it, and independents who are independent of the alliance of independents and of the independents who are aligned with the alliance of independents? If I've parsed that correctly, that makes three, um, collections. Reminicent of the time in the early 2010s when Scarborough had the Independent Group, a group of Independents, and Independents not aligned with any group. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 22, 2018 13:51:02 GMT
So there are independents in a formal alliance of independents, independents who are aligned with the formal alliance of independents but not part of it, and independents who are independent of the alliance of independents and of the independents who are aligned with the alliance of independents? If I've parsed that correctly, that makes three, um, collections. Reminicent of the time in the early 2010s when Scarborough had the Independent Group, a group of Independents, and Independents not aligned with any group. Stoke got in a similar conundrum around the same time: City Independents, Conservative Independents and a genuine Independent until he joined the City Independents shortly before his untimely passing in 2010. |
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 22, 2018 14:52:39 GMT
So there are independents in a formal alliance of independents, independents who are aligned with the formal alliance of independents but not part of it, and independents who are independent of the alliance of independents and of the independents who are aligned with the alliance of independents? If I've parsed that correctly, that makes three, um, collections. Reminicent of the time in the early 2010s when Scarborough had the Independent Group, a group of Independents, and Independents not aligned with any group. Southend until last May was the same. |
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