Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2018 12:03:56 GMT
Intrigued by that decent LibDem performance in Luton from a "standing start". Any particular reason? only thing I can think of is a protest vote against the luton airport working group. There have been lots of noise complaints from residents about the planes flight paths. As far as I can make out little has been achieved to reduce this despite proposals for alternative flight paths From the LD campaign organiser: "We chose two issues. No to two weekly food waste collections and yes to a new stadium for Luton Town and only campaigned on them", and "Ps anyone who thinks this result had anything to do with Brexit is deluded (and I am a very strong remainer) In fact one of our leaflets was headline "Its about the Bins...not Brexit!"
This ward is not far from Kenilworth Road, is it?
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 21, 2018 12:07:30 GMT
only thing I can think of is a protest vote against the luton airport working group. There have been lots of noise complaints from residents about the planes flight paths. As far as I can make out little has been achieved to reduce this despite proposals for alternative flight paths From the LD campaign organiser: "We chose two issues. No to two weekly food waste collections and yes to a new stadium for Luton Town and only campaigned on them", and "Ps anyone who thinks this result had anything to do with Brexit is deluded (and I am a very strong remainer) In fact one of our leaflets was headline "Its about the Bins...not Brexit!" This ward is not far from Kenilworth Road, is it?
Chances are the organiser is right, but as you know, every increase in lib dem vote is due to anti-brexit feeling/sentiment according to the #FBPE crowd. They attempted to argue this for the sunderland local by-elections some time ago. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 21, 2018 12:36:49 GMT
only thing I can think of is a protest vote against the luton airport working group. There have been lots of noise complaints from residents about the planes flight paths. As far as I can make out little has been achieved to reduce this despite proposals for alternative flight paths From the LD campaign organiser: "We chose two issues. No to two weekly food waste collections and yes to a new stadium for Luton Town and only campaigned on them", and "Ps anyone who thinks this result had anything to do with Brexit is deluded (and I am a very strong remainer) In fact one of our leaflets was headline "Its about the Bins...not Brexit!"
This ward is not far from Kenilworth Road, is it?
so was that yes to a new stadium as we love Luton Town, or yes to a new stadium as this means they will have to move from the area....? or both?  |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2018 12:54:09 GMT
From the LD campaign organiser: "We chose two issues. No to two weekly food waste collections and yes to a new stadium for Luton Town and only campaigned on them", and "Ps anyone who thinks this result had anything to do with Brexit is deluded (and I am a very strong remainer) In fact one of our leaflets was headline "Its about the Bins...not Brexit!"
This ward is not far from Kenilworth Road, is it?
so was that yes to a new stadium as we love Luton Town, or yes to a new stadium as this means they will have to move from the area....? or both? Not being local, I've no idea, although checking the map, perhaps it's further away from the ward than I thought. Kenilworth Road is hemmed in by housing or roads on all sides, no chance of rebuilding where it is. But the tendency is for new football stadia to be on the edge of town anyway, isn't it? |
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Post by lbarnes on Sept 21, 2018 13:06:32 GMT
Jumping off the back of Iraq, the Lib Dems used to run Luton. In 2007 it was one of the rare Labour gains. The Lib Dems presumably remain a credible opposition party in the safe Labour areas. But even then didn't come close to winning this ward. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 21, 2018 13:13:33 GMT
Jumping off the back of Iraq, the Lib Dems used to run Luton. In 2007 it was one of the rare Labour gains. The Lib Dems presumably remain a credible opposition party in the safe Labour areas. But even then didn't come close to winning this ward. they didn't this time, tbf |
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 21, 2018 13:19:40 GMT
I notice that Luton LibDem description included the words "Focus Team", which unless they were being particularly cynical presumably means that it is a ward they have been working. The cynical thing is arguably when they are just "Focus Team" on the ballot paper, with the words "Liberal Democrat" entirely omitted! Of course there's only one reason why that's a registered description, it's to stop the refusenik Liberal Party to use it or a variation on it! |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 21, 2018 14:20:35 GMT
I notice that Luton LibDem description included the words "Focus Team", which unless they were being particularly cynical presumably means that it is a ward they have been working. Possibly only since the by-election was coming though. One Focus doth a Focus Team make.. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Sept 21, 2018 14:36:15 GMT
From the LD campaign organiser: "We chose two issues. No to two weekly food waste collections and yes to a new stadium for Luton Town and only campaigned on them", and "Ps anyone who thinks this result had anything to do with Brexit is deluded (and I am a very strong remainer) In fact one of our leaflets was headline "Its about the Bins...not Brexit!"
This ward is not far from Kenilworth Road, is it?
so was that yes to a new stadium as we love Luton Town, or yes to a new stadium as this means they will have to move from the area....? or both? Certainly it's a worrying development to find that I may be a member of a political party that supports Luton Town. Coalition with the Conservatives was one thing, but Luton??? |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 21, 2018 14:40:31 GMT
so was that yes to a new stadium as we love Luton Town, or yes to a new stadium as this means they will have to move from the area....? or both? Not being local, I've no idea, although checking the map, perhaps it's further away from the ward than I thought. Kenilworth Road is hemmed in by housing or roads on all sides, no chance of rebuilding where it is. But the tendency is for new football stadia to be on the edge of town anyway, isn't it? I've been to the ground (away end). It's one of the last genuine right in the middle of the community grounds. You can see into the gardens of the terraced houses that surround it. There have been plans to move them before but they came to naught. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 21, 2018 14:43:03 GMT
so was that yes to a new stadium as we love Luton Town, or yes to a new stadium as this means they will have to move from the area....? or both? Certainly it's a worrying development to find that I may be a member of a political party that supports Luton Town. Coalition with the Conservatives was one thing, but Luton???well the team colours are similar.... |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2018 14:59:23 GMT
I've been to the ground (away end). It's one of the last genuine right in the middle of the community grounds. You can see into the gardens of the terraced houses that surround it. There may be more than you think. Anfield and Goodison are still pretty much in the middle of housing, Fratton Park is still in place, you could argue that the Emirates is at the heart of Islington and Spurs are rebuilding White Hart Lane exactly where it was before (they have more space than the Hatters). St James' Park remains near the centre of the Toon, and Molineux still bumps up against the Wolverhampton ring road (though the area around it has been redeveloped somewhat). And closer to me, both Blues and Villa have sites constrained by other developments or roads - the way one stand at Villa Park extends over the road line high in the air is pretty impressive.
Against that, Sunderland moved away from the cramped site that was Roker Park, Brighton finally got their new stadium on the edge of town, Middlesbrough abandoned Ayresome Park among its Victorian terraces, Cardiff City found a more spacious site than Ninian Park could ever have allowed them, Swansea have the Liberty some way out of town and Chester even moved into another country (partly - the clubhouse is in England, the pitch in Wales!) And other clubs are looking to sell inner-urban sites when the time is right.
But we digress ...
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 21, 2018 15:03:53 GMT
I've been to the ground (away end). It's one of the last genuine right in the middle of the community grounds. You can see into the gardens of the terraced houses that surround it. There may be more than you think. Anfield and Goodison are still pretty much in the middle of housing, Fratton Park is still in place, you could argue that the Emirates is at the heart of Islington and Spurs are rebuilding White Hart Lane exactly where it was before (they have more space than the Hatters). St James' Park remains near the centre of the Toon, and Molineux still bumps up against the Wolverhampton ring road (though the area around it has been redeveloped somewhat). And closer to me, both Blues and Villa have sites constrained by other developments or roads - the way one stand at Villa Park extends over the road line high in the air is pretty impressive.
Against that, Sunderland moved away from the cramped site that was Roker Park, Brighton finally got their new stadium on the edge of town, Middlesbrough abandoned Ayresome Park among its Victorian terraces, Cardiff City found a more spacious site than Ninian Park could ever have allowed them, Swansea have the Liberty some way out of town and Chester even moved into another country (partly - the clubhouse is in England, the pitch in Wales!) And other clubs are looking to sell inner-urban sites when the time is right.
But we digress ...
Just before we digress too much, you forgot the Mighty Potters moving to what was Hem Heath Colliery sort of on the edge of town, but I can still hear Delilah from my kitchen. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 21, 2018 15:08:34 GMT
I've been to the ground (away end). It's one of the last genuine right in the middle of the community grounds. You can see into the gardens of the terraced houses that surround it. There may be more than you think. Anfield and Goodison are still pretty much in the middle of housing, Fratton Park is still in place, you could argue that the Emirates is at the heart of Islington and Spurs are rebuilding White Hart Lane exactly where it was before (they have more space than the Hatters). St James' Park remains near the centre of the Toon, and Molineux still bumps up against the Wolverhampton ring road (though the area around it has been redeveloped somewhat). And closer to me, both Blues and Villa have sites constrained by other developments or roads - the way one stand at Villa Park extends over the road line high in the air is pretty impressive.
Against that, Sunderland moved away from the cramped site that was Roker Park, Brighton finally got their new stadium on the edge of town, Middlesbrough abandoned Ayresome Park among its Victorian terraces, Cardiff City found a more spacious site than Ninian Park could ever have allowed them, Swansea have the Liberty some way out of town and Chester even moved into another country (partly - the clubhouse is in England, the pitch in Wales!) And other clubs are looking to sell inner-urban sites when the time is right.
But we digress ...
Of course we digress - that's half the point of being here....  I've been to Newcastle's ground, St Andrews and Villa Park and I don't think any of them are as constrained as Kenilworth Road, probably just by virtue of being bigger (?) as much as anything else. The Emirates stadium now dominates the local area rather than the other way round and White Hart Lane may end up doing the same. I think you're right - the Liverpool and Everton grounds are probably the next nearest to fit the bill. Not been to Portsmouth but I'm sure you're right about that too. Southampton of course, moved back to the area they originally came from IIRC. |
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Post by finsobruce on Sept 21, 2018 15:10:23 GMT
There may be more than you think. Anfield and Goodison are still pretty much in the middle of housing, Fratton Park is still in place, you could argue that the Emirates is at the heart of Islington and Spurs are rebuilding White Hart Lane exactly where it was before (they have more space than the Hatters). St James' Park remains near the centre of the Toon, and Molineux still bumps up against the Wolverhampton ring road (though the area around it has been redeveloped somewhat). And closer to me, both Blues and Villa have sites constrained by other developments or roads - the way one stand at Villa Park extends over the road line high in the air is pretty impressive.
Against that, Sunderland moved away from the cramped site that was Roker Park, Brighton finally got their new stadium on the edge of town, Middlesbrough abandoned Ayresome Park among its Victorian terraces, Cardiff City found a more spacious site than Ninian Park could ever have allowed them, Swansea have the Liberty some way out of town and Chester even moved into another country (partly - the clubhouse is in England, the pitch in Wales!) And other clubs are looking to sell inner-urban sites when the time is right.
But we digress ...
Just before we digress too much, you forgot the Mighty Potters moving to what was Hem Heath Colliery sort of on the edge of town, but I can still hear Delilah from my kitchen. I've been to Vale Park and the old Victoria ground but not the new place. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 21, 2018 15:18:12 GMT
Just before we digress too much, you forgot the Mighty Potters moving to what was Hem Heath Colliery sort of on the edge of town, but I can still hear Delilah from my kitchen. I've been to Vale Park and the old Victoria ground but not the new place. Basically it’s in the middle of nowhere, although there’s still development in the area, but John Motson caused a bit of a kerfuffle in a retirement interview by describing it as his least favourite ground. |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 21, 2018 15:35:24 GMT
Not being local, I've no idea, although checking the map, perhaps it's further away from the ward than I thought. Kenilworth Road is hemmed in by housing or roads on all sides, no chance of rebuilding where it is. But the tendency is for new football stadia to be on the edge of town anyway, isn't it? I've been to the ground (away end). It's one of the last genuine right in the middle of the community grounds. You can see into the gardens of the terraced houses that surround it. There have been plans to move them before but they came to naught. Gardens!! Soft southern football ground! My brother used to own a house he let to students from which you could see one of the corner flags at Bramall Lane! (Through the only gap in the stands). Also of course the oldest ground in the world where professional association football is played whenever Mansfield Town happen to be out of the League.. And home of the original United... Many of the northern grounds outside the Premiership have houses near them. It is not unusual.. |
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 21, 2018 15:38:13 GMT
I've been to Vale Park and the old Victoria ground but not the new place. Basically it’s in the middle of nowhere, although there’s still development in the area, but John Motson caused a bit of a kerfuffle in a retirement interview by describing it as his least favourite ground. Yes, Stoke are in the middle of nowhere now, and Bolton basically in a retail park (with rubbish attendances compared to the old days). Sunderland managed to build a new stadium their supporters could still walk to. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Sept 21, 2018 16:17:40 GMT
Loftus Road from the air:  Her days may be numbered; the club is keen to move to a new ground on the site of the Linford Christie Stadium (where the running track is on the photo below:)  The big blocks with all the windows aren't flats, that's HMP Wormwood Scrubs. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 21, 2018 16:24:50 GMT
Basically it’s in the middle of nowhere, although there’s still development in the area, but John Motson caused a bit of a kerfuffle in a retirement interview by describing it as his least favourite ground. , and Bolton basically in a retail park (with rubbish attendances compared to the old days). Sunderland managed to build a new stadium their supporters could still walk to. It's quite handy for the incinerator.  And close enough to Mrs TheGriff's former place of employment for match day parking to be a nuisance. Which - given it's a children's hospice - didn't reflect too well on fans who thought it a suitable place to park. |
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