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Post by tonyhill on Sept 21, 2018 5:55:50 GMT
A number of factors at play here, the collapse in what would always have been a very soft Labour vote being only one. This is an enormous rural ward in which it is very difficult to mount any sort of sustained political campaign, and in normal circumstances LibDem resources would be concentrated on the Alresfords, which of course was a LibDem gain in May. The LibDems ran a full campaign at this by election with canvassing, posters, leaflets and target letters. Apparently they were even picking up support from 'Leave' Tories who are unhappy about the way the government is deducting the negotiations with the EU - back to the LibDems being a vehicle for generalised protest perhaps? I think it is unlikely that there was a particular desire amongst the voters for a change of control in Winchester City Council, the actions of which do not impact greatly on an area such as this as long as the rubbish is collected every week.
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Post by andrew111 on Sept 21, 2018 6:38:06 GMT
A number of factors at play here, the collapse in what would always have been a very soft Labour vote being only one. This is an enormous rural ward in which it is very difficult to mount any sort of sustained political campaign, and in normal circumstances LibDem resources would be concentrated on the Alresfords, which of course was a LibDem gain in May. The LibDems ran a full campaign at this by election with canvassing, posters, leaflets and target letters. Apparently they were even picking up support from 'Leave' Tories who are unhappy about the way the government is deducting the negotiations with the EU - back to the LibDems being a vehicle for generalised protest perhaps? I think it is unlikely that there was a particular desire amongst the voters for a change of control in Winchester City Council, the actions of which do not impact greatly on an area such as this as long as the rubbish is collected every week. Yes, the figures show that plenty of Tories switched, not just Labour.. However interpreting Lib Dem votes in local elections as being to do with Brexit or a protest vote is probably a mistake. Usually they are positive votes for a candidate and Party that pays more attention to the electorate.. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 21, 2018 7:19:24 GMT
A number of factors at play here, the collapse in what would always have been a very soft Labour vote being only one. This is an enormous rural ward in which it is very difficult to mount any sort of sustained political campaign, and in normal circumstances LibDem resources would be concentrated on the Alresfords, which of course was a LibDem gain in May. The LibDems ran a full campaign at this by election with canvassing, posters, leaflets and target letters. Apparently they were even picking up support from 'Leave' Tories who are unhappy about the way the government is deducting the negotiations with the EU - back to the LibDems being a vehicle for generalised protest perhaps? I think it is unlikely that there was a particular desire amongst the voters for a change of control in Winchester City Council, the actions of which do not impact greatly on an area such as this as long as the rubbish is collected every week. I love this phrase- I suspect you meant to write "conducting" rather than "deducting" but, then again, maybe it was deliberate? It was certainly inspired! Of course the Lib Dems have normally to husband their limited resources carefully, but clearly the area has considerable potential if the work can be put in. I have always believed deeply rural areas are winnable by the LDs if the effort can be put in but are often neglected by them because a proper campaign, using resource-intensive methods, is seen as unsustainable in such areas. To win- actually win - in somewhere like Upper Meon needs those sort of resources to be put in over more than one election campaign. I hope now it will be. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 21, 2018 7:22:17 GMT
They are the sister party of the NHAP (just as Alliance are the sister party of the Lib Dems in Northern Ireland) and campaign for the same things that we do in the rest of the UK. When did Wyre Forest declare UDI from the rest of the UK? About the same time as Rhodesia, I think. |
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Post by mboy on Sept 21, 2018 7:25:07 GMT
Clearly deeply rural areas are winnable the LDs - we used to hold the most rural places in the country in Montgomeryshire, Brecon, Cornwall, and the Highlands!
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 21, 2018 8:04:52 GMT
Clearly deeply rural areas are winnable the LDs - we used to hold the most risk places in the country in Montgomeryshire, Brecon, Cornwall, and the Highlands! Yes,of course, but I had in mind more the deeply rural parts of metropolitan England, of which Upper Meon is an excellent example, which people are inclined to dismiss as automatically Tory. There's nothing automatically Tory about mid-Wales or the Highlands of Scotland. |
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Post by tonyhill on Sept 21, 2018 8:07:50 GMT
Yes, sorry I did mean "conducting" - too early in the morning! I remember watching the votes being sorted in Beauworth, one of the villages in this ward, some time before 1997, and the LibDem vote averaging one per bundle of 20. When I saw the same box at the 1997 by-election I knew we had won with a landslide.
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Post by Robert Waller on Sept 21, 2018 8:35:13 GMT
As I know some people like percentages too!
Upper Meon Valley (Winchester) result:
CON: 51.6% (-18.0)
LDEM: 44.9% (+24.1)
LAB: 1.9% (-7.6)
GRN: 1.5% (+1.5)
Conservative HOLD.
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 21, 2018 8:46:14 GMT
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Post by samdwebber on Sept 21, 2018 8:51:34 GMT
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2018 8:58:29 GMT
For Nonsuch, I make that (using the top candidate % from 2015): RES 68.0% (+9.1) CON 20.2% (-5.5) LDEM 8.1% (-0.1) LAB 3.6% (-3.4%)
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 21, 2018 9:37:27 GMT
Ottery St Mary Rural Independent 755 59.4% Con 421 33.1% LD 51 4% Green 24 1.9% Lab 20 1.6% Does anyone remember Labour getting <1.6% in a by-election before (barring no candidate of course)?? Not just that, but the combined share for Lab/Green/LibDem must be amongst the lowest ever recorded? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 21, 2018 10:14:50 GMT
This Wenhaston count is taking its time, isn't it? Started at 9:30.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 21, 2018 10:16:51 GMT
Result just up on the East Suffolk website:
Ramsey-Bennett, Carl Richard The Green Party 80
Gower, Michael The Conservative Party Candidate 431 (E)
Turner, Andrew Liberal Democrats 340
Con hold, but a lot closer than last time. I make it:
Con 50.6% (-2.6); LD 40.0% (+16.3); Green 9.4% (+9.4), no Labour this time.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 21, 2018 11:25:41 GMT
Intrigued by that decent LibDem performance in Luton from a "standing start". Any particular reason?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 11:27:16 GMT
Intrigued by that decent LibDem performance in Luton from a "standing start". Any particular reason? I understand that the local council is quite unpopular at the moment, and it may well be that people are more willing to vote LibDem than Tory as a protest. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 21, 2018 11:39:31 GMT
Jumping off the back of Iraq, the Lib Dems used to run Luton. In 2007 it was one of the rare Labour gains. The Lib Dems presumably remain a credible opposition party in the safe Labour areas.
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Post by tonyhill on Sept 21, 2018 11:41:56 GMT
I notice that Luton LibDem description included the words "Focus Team", which unless they were being particularly cynical presumably means that it is a ward they have been working.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 21, 2018 11:43:46 GMT
I notice that Luton LibDem description included the words "Focus Team", which unless they were being particularly cynical presumably means that it is a ward they have been working. The cynical thing is arguably when they are just "Focus Team" on the ballot paper, with the words "Liberal Democrat" entirely omitted! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 11:50:03 GMT
Intrigued by that decent LibDem performance in Luton from a "standing start". Any particular reason? only thing I can think of is a protest vote against the luton airport working group. There have been lots of noise complaints from residents about the planes flight paths. As far as I can make out little has been achieved to reduce this despite proposals for alternative flight paths |
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