Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 27, 2018 21:33:41 GMT
VoxPopuli - an infrequent pollster - puts Bolsonaro and the PT-candidate 50:50 (n=2000), the others have a clear lead for the man of the "SocialLiberal"-party.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2018 8:30:01 GMT
VoxPopuli - an infrequent pollster - puts Bolsonaro and the PT-candidate 50:50 (n=2000), the others have a clear lead for the man of the "SocialLiberal"-party. If Haddad pulls it off, it will be a very impressive comeback. Amusingly he has received the endorsement of prosecutor Barbosa, the man who put his colleagues in prison! |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Oct 28, 2018 8:33:36 GMT
VoxPopuli - an infrequent pollster - puts Bolsonaro and the PT-candidate 50:50 (n=2000), the others have a clear lead for the man of the "SocialLiberal"-party. If Haddad pulls it off, it will be a very impressive comeback. Amusingly he has received the endorsement of prosecutor Barbosa, the man who put his colleagues in prison! Surely a very significant endorsement, given that TP's rampant corruption is the biggest strike against voting for Haddad? I wonder whether many voters will notice or care, though. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 28, 2018 9:46:11 GMT
VoxPopuli - an infrequent pollster - puts Bolsonaro and the PT-candidate 50:50 (n=2000), the others have a clear lead for the man of the "SocialLiberal"-party. Apparently this pollster overstated left wing support in the last presidential election, so maybe we shouldn't get too excited. |
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iain
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Post by iain on Oct 28, 2018 22:44:42 GMT
So Bolsonaro has won. 55-45.
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Izzyeviel
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Post by Izzyeviel on Oct 28, 2018 22:46:47 GMT
Two Brazil's. Quite the contrast. Sound familiar?
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Oct 28, 2018 23:26:51 GMT
Perhaps the lesson is that if you force voters to choose between only socialism or barbarism, barbarism wins...so don't force that choice!
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Oct 28, 2018 23:28:21 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 28, 2018 23:29:41 GMT
Perhaps the lesson is that if you force voters to choose between only socialism or barbarism, barbarism wins...so don't force that choice! Or don't have a presidential system. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 28, 2018 23:31:28 GMT
"Owen Jones 🌹 Retweeted Europe Elects Socialism or barbarism: that's the choice now facing humanity. The world's fourth biggest democracy has been consumed by fascism and, if we don't fight back, what's happened to Brazil will happen to us all." Does he realise, do you think, that Brazil has had a military dictatorship within living memory? |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 28, 2018 23:44:13 GMT
Related: check out Bolsonaro's running mate. If anything an even bigger cause for concern than the man himself...
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 28, 2018 23:49:05 GMT
Also in the governor-RunOffs the less left candidates won everywhere (except RN [PT over PDT] and perhaps MG [NOVO over PSDB] or PA [MDB over DEM]).
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Oct 28, 2018 23:53:22 GMT
I suspect a lot more people would be upset at the fascist victory in Brazil, if people like Owen hasn't already spent 5 years hysterically shrieking about fascist victories in America, Italy, Austria, Poland, , Hungary, etc. He's the boy who cried wolf.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 29, 2018 0:01:23 GMT
If Haddad pulls it off, it will be a very impressive comeback. Amusingly he has received the endorsement of prosecutor Barbosa, the man who put his colleagues in prison! Surely a very significant endorsement, given that TP's rampant corruption is the biggest strike against voting for Haddad? I wonder whether many voters will notice or care, though. Significant, but difficult when claiming that locking up PT members was some kind of plot. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 29, 2018 0:04:00 GMT
I suspect a lot more people would be upset at the fascist victory in Brazil, if people like Owen hasn't already spent 5 years hysterically shrieking about fascist victories in America, Italy, Austria, Poland, , Hungary, etc. He's the boy who cried wolf. He has suddenly developed an interest in the prospect of a repressive regime in South America. Curiously, he's said very little on such regimes in the recent times. Also, why is he quoting an anarchist when he is not? The Pillock of Stockport strikes again. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 29, 2018 7:34:17 GMT
Does he realise, do you think, that Brazil has had a military dictatorship within living memory? He's not stupid, he must know the history of the country. What leads you to that hasty conclusion when there is so much evidence to the contrary? |
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 29, 2018 7:37:22 GMT
What a truly depressing result.
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 29, 2018 7:41:12 GMT
Compulsory voting, and the choice limited to two candidates both unpalatable in their way, what do you expect? |
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 29, 2018 8:00:20 GMT
Compulsory voting, and the choice limited to two candidates both unpalatable in their way, what do you expect? Liberals didn't have anyone to vote for. I'm surprised more didn't abstain. Three further thoughts: The fine for not voting was enough to be a serious consideration among Brazil's poor, and that is the great majority of the country after all. I know it was for some of my contacts, most of whom were devastated they couldn't vote for Lula anyway.. The total number of blank and spoiled papers was enough to give Haddad a majority of about a million had they all voted for him. That of course was never going to happen. I'm not sure liberals really had anyone to vote for in the first round, let alone the run-off |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:15:49 GMT
Compulsory voting, and the choice limited to two candidates both unpalatable in their way, what do you expect? Liberals didn't have anyone to vote for. I'm surprised more didn't abstain. given that people walked into polling stations in 2002 with pegs on their noses to vote for a corrupt politician like Chirac to keep Le Pen out I'm amazed people would abstain on a vote that included a man who said Pinochet didnt kill enough people. I am reminded of this article: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/29/french-election-voting-abstainers-macron-le-pen |
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