timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 25, 2018 9:43:00 GMT
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 25, 2018 10:12:57 GMT
He has been arrested on suspicion of possessing indecent images.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 25, 2018 10:27:46 GMT
He has been arrested on suspension of possessing indecent images. Wow! Not only indecent but hanging in the air.......The very worst sort of indecent! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:53:00 GMT
Helen Mary Jones lost Llanelli by 382 votes last time and is next on the list.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 25, 2018 11:08:24 GMT
I've added this to defections as he has apparently quit Plaid too. |
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Jul 25, 2018 21:43:47 GMT
There is no mention of indecent images of children anywhere, could he be a victim of the new draconian laws governing what consenting adults can do in front of a camera?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 25, 2018 21:54:30 GMT
I am not a lawyer, but I am given to understand that possession of indecent images is only ever a crime if either of two circumstances apply:
1) the images are of children
2) the images constitute 'extreme pornography' as defined in s.63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 26, 2018 21:39:06 GMT
Could any supporter of the ludicrous "recall" system please explain how it would hypothetically work with a list PR system?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 21:42:11 GMT
Could any supporter of the ludicrous "recall" system please explain how it would hypothetically work with a list PR system? The same way, in theory: 10% of the electorate of the region they represent (if you go down the Holyrood/Germany rout) or the country (if they go down the New Zealand route). Or, to put it another way: it wouldn't. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 26, 2018 22:37:43 GMT
I am not a lawyer, but I am given to understand that possession of indecent images is only ever a crime if either of two circumstances apply: 1) the images are of children 2) the images constitute 'extreme pornography' as defined in s.63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 3. They're of Leanne Wood. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 26, 2018 22:40:01 GMT
I am not a lawyer, but I am given to understand that possession of indecent images is only ever a crime if either of two circumstances apply: 1) the images are of children 2) the images constitute 'extreme pornography' as defined in s.63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 3. They're of Leanne Wood. steady in the cheap seats.... |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 27, 2018 0:15:53 GMT
I am not a lawyer, but I am given to understand that possession of indecent images is only ever a crime if either of two circumstances apply: 1) the images are of children2) the images constitute 'extreme pornography' as defined in s.63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 N.B. The age of consent for this purpose is 18, not 16, so some people have occasionally been caught out with what they thought were ordinary pornographic photos of what they thought were adults, but were actually only 16 or 17. As I understand it, this is also an area of the law where "strict liability" applies, so "I thought she was 18" is not a defence if she was actually only 17. (the same caveat that I am not a lawyer, so I may be wrong about this) P.S. an interesting minor fact of one famous case was that when Rolf Harris was charged with the 12 counts of sexual assault / indecent assault for which he was eventually convicted (1 of those 12 being later quashed on appeal), he was also charged with "creating" (in other words, downloading and saving a copy of) indecent images of children. Those charges were dropped when his lawyers were able to identify the subjects of the photographs and provide proof that they were over 18. |
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Jul 27, 2018 11:00:57 GMT
Could any supporter of the ludicrous "recall" system please explain how it would hypothetically work with a list PR system? The same way, in theory: 10% of the electorate of the region they represent (if you go down the Holyrood/Germany rout) or the country (if they go down the New Zealand route). Or, to put it another way: it wouldn't. It would simply function as a Yes/No vote on whether the member is recalled, and if a majority votes for yes the next person on the list takes their place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2018 13:03:31 GMT
Could any supporter of the ludicrous "recall" system please explain how it would hypothetically work with a list PR system? It wouldn't, but to be fair to the supporters of such a system (for which I'm generally not), it wouldn't necessarily be pointless if it applied to only constituencies. The whole point of a list system is that there's a proportionally allocated group of representatives for each region. Naturally, this means that plenty of elected representatives will have very little support from a strong majority of their electorate (UKIP AM's in London for example). This is fine; they're not the sole representative. In a (single member) constituency, the representative is the sole representative of the electorate, and I do understand why some people support a method of recall if the majority of voters, or ideally a supermajority of voters or an outright majority of registered electors, demand it. Going a little off topic, but I've always felt the idea that someone who has only plurality support from voters (or with AV and similar systems, majority support from voters) can be the sole representative of all of those voters is hard to justify. Nevertheless, there are also very good reasons to maintain single member constituencies, even if we do ever moving to a proportional electoral system. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 27, 2018 16:53:29 GMT
Personally I don't like any system that appoints its democratic representative without facing the vote of the people. And I don't like a system where someone's punishment for a transgression is dependent on their popularity. |
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goose
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Post by goose on Jul 27, 2018 17:51:35 GMT
AMS could easily be reformed, it should be a single vote where standing in a constituency automatically puts you on the list, your order on the list should be determined on the night by your performance in the constituency.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 27, 2018 18:04:04 GMT
AMS could easily be reformed, it should be a single vote where standing in a constituency automatically puts you on the list, your order on the list should be determined on the night by your performance in the constituency. There's a system not too dissimilar to what you propose there, the needlessly convoluted Baden-Württemberg method. More conventional open-lists would be preferable. |
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goose
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Post by goose on Jul 27, 2018 18:12:47 GMT
AMS could easily be reformed, it should be a single vote where standing in a constituency automatically puts you on the list, your order on the list should be determined on the night by your performance in the constituency. There's a system not too dissimilar to what you propose there, the needlessly convoluted Baden-Württemberg method. More conventional open-lists would be preferable. Doesn't seem that complicated, I think it would definitely be an improvement on the current system. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Jul 27, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
There's a system not too dissimilar to what you propose there, the needlessly convoluted Baden-Württemberg method. More conventional open-lists would be preferable. Doesn't seem that complicated, I think it would definitely be an improvement on the current system. There's nothing really wrong with the fundamentals of the type of Mixed-Member system used in Scotland and Wales, the only real issue is the use of closed-lists as opposed to open, with no major overhaul really needed. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 27, 2018 18:32:39 GMT
And I don't like a system where someone's punishment for a transgression is dependent on their popularity. Anyone in mind? No, it's about the principle. |
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