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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2019 21:38:55 GMT
That's this Deltapoll in the Mail?
Hmm, I can't find the actual details, but according to the Mail's Deltapoll write up..
Tories 49 Lab 17 in Wales?
Tories lead in London? SNP 27 Tories 25 Lab 22 in Scotland?
Hmm indeed...
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Post by msc on Nov 2, 2019 22:12:22 GMT
That's this Deltapoll in the Mail?
Hmm, I can't find the actual details, but according to the Mail's Deltapoll write up..
Tories 49 Lab 17 in Wales?
Tories lead in London? SNP 27 Tories 25 Lab 22 in Scotland?
Hmm indeed...
yes. Dont believe the crossbreaks they are and always will be utter crap
Indeed. One can believe in the general flow of traffic (at the moment) while being amused the Mail wrote an entire page based on the regional specifics subsections...
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Nov 3, 2019 13:44:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 13:44:41 GMT
Thinking about your constituency how would you vote
Con 46
Lab 30
Ldem 16
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Post by Andrew_S on Nov 9, 2019 22:04:55 GMT
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 9, 2019 22:14:01 GMT
The first serious poll of the campaign, and it is better for Labour at this time than 1983 or 2017. I see Labour in the mid-thirties and the Tories in the high thirties come 12th December. My view will change. |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 9, 2019 22:26:25 GMT
The first serious poll of the campaign, and it is better for Labour at this time than 1983 or 2017. I see Labour in the mid-thirties and the Tories in the high thirties come 12th December. My view will change. Is your current view that it will be like 1983 or 2017 for Labour (if you are changing between those views it is a big fence!) |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 9, 2019 22:53:53 GMT
The first serious poll of the campaign, and it is better for Labour at this time than 1983 or 2017. I see Labour in the mid-thirties and the Tories in the high thirties come 12th December. My view will change. Is your current view that it will be like 1983 or 2017 for Labour (if you are changing between those views it is a big fence!) I think I indicated somewhere in between, at the moment. The major difference is the weakness of the Conservative potential as, if they are in the mid to high thirties with Labour in the mid-thirties, they are not heading for a majority. For Labour, better than 1983, but in a somewhat different demographic. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 9, 2019 23:02:37 GMT
Is your current view that it will be like 1983 or 2017 for Labour (if you are changing between those views it is a big fence!) I think I indicated somewhere in between, at the moment. The major difference is the weakness of the Conservative potential as, if they are in the mid to high thirties with Labour in the mid-thirties, they are not heading for a majority. For Labour, better than 1983, but in a somewhat different demographic. This depends to some extent on Scotland, the LDs, and the degrees to which tactical voting happens in various constituencies, but I think they will probably be heading for a working majority if they open up a gap of ~4.5% or more. |
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Post by Vibe on Nov 9, 2019 23:05:52 GMT
The first serious poll of the campaign, and it is better for Labour at this time than 1983 or 2017. I see Labour in the mid-thirties and the Tories in the high thirties come 12th December. My view will change. I would like to see the main parties' manifestos before I take the polls seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 23:42:44 GMT
I think the manifestos will be a positive for both parties though costings may be a stumblibg block given both parties have committed to billions of extra borrowing and negative debt. Tories tacked to you can't trust labour to spend properly. How will the Lib Dems and SNP react. The Greens gleafully revealing in this will the Lib Dems commit to billions of extra borrowing as well.
These polls will give both parties hope after a tough week. Lots of tactical voting i think. Campaign may not mean a thing
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Post by tonygreaves on Nov 10, 2019 16:10:32 GMT
No-one reads the manifestos except a few journalists and a few geeks.
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Post by justin124 on Nov 10, 2019 16:13:56 GMT
Very few people read the manifestos in their entirety but millions gain the essence of their content via the media.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 16:51:55 GMT
The yougov poll asked some potential policies most likely to be announced by Labour except the odd one like increasing basic rate of tax to 21%. Everything from nationalising energy, railways, etc. to increasing top rate of tax and introducing a new tax bracket at £80k was polled. All of which was popular which is not new but is why i think people will react positively. But also people don't believe either party can afford their manifestos which is why I think that will be an obstacle.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 11, 2019 19:25:33 GMT
Very few people read the manifestos in their entirety but millions gain the essence of their content via the media. The media don't always give an accurate picture of what's in the manifestos, though. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Nov 11, 2019 19:55:01 GMT
The media just pick and choose. Mainly looking for what they think are blunders in parties they don't support. Manifestos are a farce and the media by and large are rubbish. We get what we deserve.
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 11, 2019 21:18:20 GMT
The yougov poll asked some potential policies most likely to be announced by Labour except the odd one like increasing basic rate of tax to 21%. Everything from nationalising energy, railways, etc. to increasing top rate of tax and introducing a new tax bracket at £80k was polled. All of which was popular which is not new but is why i think people will react positively. But also people don't believe either party can afford their manifestos which is why I think that will be an obstacle. I'm afraid it may also be an obstacle if the policies, which are (broadly speaking) popular, are construed to benefit demonised social groups, which is how they become unpopular. The majority of unemployment benefit claimants believed they needed theirs and that most other claimants didn't. |
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Nov 11, 2019 21:20:47 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 11, 2019 21:20:47 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing their next poll once the BXP news has been fully digested.
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 11, 2019 22:17:53 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing their next poll once the BXP news has been fully digested. The interesting thing to see will be where the crashing Brexit party vote goes. It may not all go where it's supposed to...but time will tell. |
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Post by curiousliberal on Nov 11, 2019 22:32:20 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing their next poll once the BXP news has been fully digested. Some people may not be aware that BxP isn't standing in their seat for a while. If the pact expands to 'targets' as opposed to 'seats with a Tory MP', some may not know until polling day. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 11, 2019 23:06:08 GMT
I'd be interested in seeing their next poll once the BXP news has been fully digested. The interesting thing to see will be where the crashing Brexit party vote goes. It may not all go where it's supposed to...but time will tell. See also other arrangements where parties stand aside... |
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