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Post by Toylyyev on Feb 24, 2020 0:18:55 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 24, 2020 10:08:58 GMT
Yes, the old "Britain doesn't know how to do housing like Germany" line is nonsense. Rents in Cologne are frightening. The newspapers in Britain find some old boy renting a flat off another old boy for thirty years and hail it as if it's normal. Despite it being two old friends living in Bingen or Tegernsee. München prices are terrifying and you'll be lucky to find something in Tegernsee for less than 1,000€ a month cold. Buying in Tegernsee 1-Zimmer-Apartment, 33 m 2 - 295,000€ 3-Zimmer-Apartment, 120m 2 - 1,138,800€ Start adding Lake Views and it gets very silly quick. It must be said Tegernsee is very beautiful, very civilised and has an excellent brewery. A bad example then! But that's astonishing. I was in Garmisch - Partenkirchen recently and the prices there looked scary as well. The housing situation in Germany is arguably worse than in Britain because the politicians seem to think they've already solved it. My wife's cousin in Cologne finds it a particularly irritating situation. Apparently most rents within the Sachsenring are eye-watering even by London prices.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 24, 2020 14:15:44 GMT
München prices are terrifying and you'll be lucky to find something in Tegernsee for less than 1,000€ a month cold. Buying in Tegernsee 1-Zimmer-Apartment, 33 m 2 - 295,000€ 3-Zimmer-Apartment, 120m 2 - 1,138,800€ Start adding Lake Views and it gets very silly quick. It must be said Tegernsee is very beautiful, very civilised and has an excellent brewery. A bad example then! But that's astonishing. I was in Garmisch - Partenkirchen recently and the prices there looked scary as well. The housing situation in Germany is arguably worse than in Britain because the politicians seem to think they've already solved it. My wife's cousin in Cologne finds it a particularly irritating situation. Apparently most rents within the Sachsenring are eye-watering even by London prices. Munich's crazy situation played a role in the recent regional election (but naturally only for the minority of CityCitoyens, so semi sub radar).
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 24, 2020 14:19:54 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 24, 2020 14:45:48 GMT
Do we have any more results from Hamburg?
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 24, 2020 17:37:07 GMT
The housing situation in Germany is arguably worse than in Britain because the politicians seem to think they've already solved it. My wife's cousin in Cologne finds it a particularly irritating situation. Apparently most rents within the Sachsenring are eye-watering even by London prices. Airbnb and its ilk has had an effect within the Sachsenring, but the other problem is the distribution of the housing stock here, you can get a 30-35m 2 studio within the Ring for around 1000€ a month, which you'd be pushed to find in the London equivalent. But a reasonable sized family apartment is mind-blowing. Saw a 110m 2 3-room off the Severinstraße for 3400€, it didn't even look that nice. Erfurt looked quite affordable.
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 24, 2020 17:52:46 GMT
Do we have any more results from Hamburg? Final result with seats. In Hamburg fehlen nur noch 14 der 1884 Wahlbezirke. Die FDP scheitert an der 5-%-Hürde, erringt aber ein Direktmandat. Das voraussichtliche Endergebnis (Sitze): SPD 39,2% (54) CDU 11,2% (15) GRÜNE 24,2% (33) LINKE 9,1% (13) FDP 4,96% (1) AfD 5,3% (7)
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 24, 2020 18:41:44 GMT
So that would be seat changes of
SPD -4 CDU -5 GRUNE +18 Linke +2 Afd -1 FDP -8
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Post by greenhert on Feb 24, 2020 19:28:45 GMT
SPD-Green coalition most likely outcome.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 24, 2020 19:33:33 GMT
SPD-Green coalition most likely outcome. 95%.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 24, 2020 19:51:32 GMT
The question is, what leverage does Big Katie now have over the SPD? She's clearly put the Buendnis in a great position.
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 24, 2020 20:52:07 GMT
I understand that because the CDU filled all their seats from the constituencies that their Spitzenkandidate has not got a seat.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 24, 2020 21:34:03 GMT
This time next month they’ll be supplying the First Mayor? Seems not, there's a likely error in one box which puts them back under 5%. The numbers are on for a SDP/AfD/FDP deal with a FDP First Mayor. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 24, 2020 21:48:57 GMT
I understand that because the CDU filled all their seats from the constituencies that their Spitzenkandidate has not got a seat. Again, a perfectly decent bloke crucified by the national CDU.
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Post by Toylyyev on Feb 24, 2020 22:10:40 GMT
The question is, what leverage does Big Katie now have over the SPD? She's clearly put the Buendnis in a great position. Usually the normative quest for state-level coalition talks would be for proportionality¹ rather than leverage. It has been the Greens negotiation tactic for some time. The last exception i can remember was a spat with Wolfgang Clement in NRW. The party vote on an agreement can be more of an emotional matter, but has tended to be less so of late, even in Austria. [1] Whereby the semantic realm for the word would not reach the extent of its Austrian equivalent as far as i know.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 24, 2020 22:14:16 GMT
FDP will be - due to Hamburg's awful electoral system - represented purely by Ms. v.Treuenfels, who is - as leader - (also) responsible for their defeat. (Unless she will resign from her seat.)
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Post by greenhert on Feb 24, 2020 23:22:57 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 25, 2020 0:55:07 GMT
Several mistakes: - The GREENS won only 1 "WahlKreis" (= MultiMember-constituencies), but several "WahlBezirke" (= precincts). - Bremen 1950 was worst for CDU (~10.?%); yet, that might not be included by You in "modern". - Hamburg has certainly not few CivilServants, nonetheless "England's port to Germany" is still to a large extent a CommerceCity. Germany has ~31% StateSlaves, Hamburg "only" ~28%, according to this table of the StatisticalOffice (page 3): www.statistik-nord.de/fileadmin/Dokumente/Presseinformationen/SI19_010.pdf- The LEFT has made InRoads in western cities - not this time in Hamburg, correct, but before and elsewhere.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 25, 2020 1:08:01 GMT
Also i wouldn't say, that the LEFT loses progressive youngsters and gains only old SPD-voters with these shares (acc. to InfratestDimap): wahl.tagesschau.de/wahlen/2020-02-23-LT-DE-HH/charts/umfrage-alter/chart_510720.jpgAlso it is ridiculous to call CDU and SPD "neoliberal"* - what is FDP then? "Super-neoliberal"? And are ReaganRepublicans or ThatcherTories then "Ultra-super-neoliberal"? *Well, malicious tongues have claimed, that SPD-Hamburg would have been more proBusiness than CDU (let alone CSU).
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Post by Toylyyev on Feb 25, 2020 2:16:57 GMT
Several mistakes: - The GREENS won only 1 "WahlKreis" (= MultiMember-constituencies), but several "WahlBezirke" (= precincts). - Bremen 1950 was worst for CDU (~10.?%); yet, that might not be included by You in "modern". - Hamburg has certainly not few CivilServants, nonetheless "England's port to Germany" is still to a large extent a CommerceCity. Germany has ~31% StateSlaves, Hamburg "only" ~28%, according to this table of the StatisticalOffice (page 3): www.statistik-nord.de/fileadmin/Dokumente/Presseinformationen/SI19_010.pdf- The LEFT has made InRoads in western cities - not this time in Hamburg, correct, but before and elsewhere. Yes, i also had the trading city meme reaction, but did wonder if it might have been a case of changing times, thanks for looking it up. What would the CDU Wirtschaftsflügel think of who the Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg votes for these days? The Greens won 4 constituencies on the first vote and two on the second, as per the lookup owed to recollecting my red-faced moment after mixing up the first and second vote in Saxony for the AfD mandates.
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