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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 25, 2020 2:55:23 GMT
The Greens won 4 constituencies on the first vote and two on the second Ah - indeed, i am sorry, i was wrong: Yesterday AfterNoon i couldn't see the maps of the SecondVotes (because they were still counted) and at those of the FirstVotes i didn't detect the border between the 2 GREENS-constituencies.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 25, 2020 12:39:53 GMT
The CDU are ordoliberal. This is the whole point of the CDU and CSU.
The SPD are equally not "neo-liberal". This is a term that has lost all meaning.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 25, 2020 12:42:07 GMT
Several mistakes: - The GREENS won only 1 "WahlKreis" (= MultiMember-constituencies), but several "WahlBezirke" (= precincts). - Bremen 1950 was worst for CDU (~10.?%); yet, that might not be included by You in "modern". - Hamburg has certainly not few CivilServants, nonetheless "England's port to Germany" is still to a large extent a CommerceCity. Germany has ~31% StateSlaves, Hamburg "only" ~28%, according to this table of the StatisticalOffice (page 3): www.statistik-nord.de/fileadmin/Dokumente/Presseinformationen/SI19_010.pdf- The LEFT has made InRoads in western cities - not this time in Hamburg, correct, but before and elsewhere. Bremen in 1950 must have been one of the last times that CDU came in behind another party of the Right, this time the Deutsche Partei. Until now...
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 25, 2020 22:54:40 GMT
Several mistakes: - The GREENS won only 1 "WahlKreis" (= MultiMember-constituencies), but several "WahlBezirke" (= precincts). - Bremen 1950 was worst for CDU (~10.?%); yet, that might not be included by You in "modern". - Hamburg has certainly not few CivilServants, nonetheless "England's port to Germany" is still to a large extent a CommerceCity. Germany has ~31% StateSlaves, Hamburg "only" ~28%, according to this table of the StatisticalOffice (page 3): www.statistik-nord.de/fileadmin/Dokumente/Presseinformationen/SI19_010.pdf- The LEFT has made InRoads in western cities - not this time in Hamburg, correct, but before and elsewhere. Bremen in 1950 must have been one of the last times that CDU came in behind another party of the Right, this time the Deutsche Partei. Until now... Once again i was not quite right, sorry: Bremen happened 1951 (9.0%, behind DP and FDP). Another case had been Hessia in late 1950 (FDP stronger).
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 1, 2020 14:30:27 GMT
First clickable mammoth image is the all-important list vote. Second is the constituency vote (with an infograph on population distribution) because it makes for the more colorful winner map.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 1, 2020 18:37:05 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 1, 2020 19:29:43 GMT
First clickable mammoth image is the all-important list vote. Second is the constituency vote (with an infograph on population distribution) because it makes for the more colorful winner map. What's the demographic character of the unusually strong Commie voting area on the South bank ?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 1, 2020 19:44:01 GMT
First clickable mammoth image is the all-important list vote. Second is the constituency vote (with an infograph on population distribution) because it makes for the more colorful winner map. What's the demographic character of the unusually strong Commie voting area on the South bank ? That's not student-areas, as one might assume, - it's the old harbour, the DockLands; with generally very few inhabitants.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 1, 2020 19:55:39 GMT
What's the demographic character of the unusually strong Commie voting area on the South bank ? That's not student-areas, as one might assume, - it's the old harbour, the DockLands; with generally very few inhabitants. I googled it after posting and saw from Google maps that it was docklands area and also from the reg'd voters map that it has very few voters, but obviously it has some and I wonder why they are so strongly for the Far Left as opposed to the Social Democrats
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 1, 2020 20:00:39 GMT
About the only residential area I can find amongst all the industrial areas is some grim low rise blocks along Ernst-August-Deich (on the western edge of the triangle)
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 1, 2020 23:43:31 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 2, 2020 9:13:39 GMT
Ernst-August-Deich is in Wilhelmsburg. OTOH the residential blocks a little further east on the south side of Harburger Chaussee, though geographically in Wilhelmsburg to my eye, are for some reason in Kleiner Grasbrook politically. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburg-Kleiner_Grasbrook#/media/Datei:Hamburg-Kleiner_Grasbrook_OSM_2015.svg (the map only shows Kleiner Grasbrook - the precinct also includes Steinwerder which is uninhabited) This is hearsay as I've not ever been to the neighborhood myself, but: Apartments are small and the noise pollution (from trucks leaving the port, as well as the main railway line linking Hamburg to most of West Germany immediately to the east) is extreme. Public transport links are weak but the city centre is easily reached within a few minutes by bicycle. The population would be a mix of recent migrants who do not vote and poorer students who can't afford the hipster districts - perfect fodder for the Left and also PARTEI, Pirates etc - the PARTEI is in fourth place and above 5% here. As a very general rule in Western major cities, the Left performs best vis-a-vis the Greens in areas that are within the shall we say countercultural orbit today but weren't thirty years ago - places that have young hipsters but no aging bobo ex-hipsters (who would be voting Green). Also occasionally areas with tiny flats in old buildings that these people actually did live in thirty years ago but have all moved out of. (Much) less extreme examples of the same pattern are two a penny in Frankfurt. I've seen a precinct map, and the pattern of left strength, including several first places (nothing like 40% of the vote of course) extends southwards into adjoining parts of Wilhelmsburg, probably including the Erst-August-Deich precinct. Isolated estates with legitimate grievances but a degree of healthy community cohesion (and you need that to actually protest your grievance and get articles in the paper!) can produce good Left scores in West Germany, but I would assume that more generally what we're looking at in North Wilhelmsburg is actually very early stages of gentrification in a once-grim neighborhood with a grim reputation.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 2, 2020 17:13:53 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 2, 2020 19:35:12 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Mar 2, 2020 19:48:00 GMT
It feels as though you ought to be able to keep zooming down to the individual voter, sadly not quite.
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 3, 2020 22:36:10 GMT
It feels as though you ought to be able to keep zooming down to the individual voter, sadly not quite. Senior Lib Dem bemoans secrecy of the ballot.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 5, 2020 20:23:59 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 19, 2021 7:45:59 GMT
Rhineland-Palatine will head to the polls soonly (or not). The region has for left-wingers 1 good news and 1 bad news. The good one for them is, that SPD ends in federal elections no longer below german average; the bad one is, that Greens & TheLeft remain, so that totally (in the table below the deViations of SPD & Greens & TheLeft from national average in federal elections are added under "S&G&L") not much has changed since 1949: Having a look at the districts we detect, that SPD has gained - as is expectable - especially in the rural&remote NW (Trier, MoselValley, bordered by Hunsrück&Eifel; Ms.Nahles came from there):
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 19, 2021 10:10:57 GMT
It's amazing to think that the Eifel and Hunsrück were the once the last word in poverty in the Germanic world. Even the East Prussians who fled westwards wouldn't go there. Nobody ever imagined that they'd spend much of the second half of the 20th century in the hinterland of the capital of Germany.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 22, 2021 5:49:02 GMT
Here are all left parties combined (incl. "Pirates", LaRouche-sects or the satirical "Die Partei"), measured at the eligible votes (with WestGermany without WestBerlin being 100%): They give a wrong picture though, because RhineL.-P. has always a comparatively high TurnOut in EuropeanElections. Here the YardStick are instead the valid votes:
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