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Post by greenhert on Feb 9, 2020 15:59:41 GMT
Micheal Lehane from RTE reckons the independents (including several big names) are going to be badly squeezed across the board. Not the Healy-Raes in Kerry, though. However, Katherine Zappone for example will almost certainly get squeezed out. |
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Post by Dalek Prime on Feb 9, 2020 16:08:06 GMT
At least i on my "old" iPhone can watch only "history" (that's: their morning&mid-day program). If you search RTÉ Player you should (or at least I did on my iPhone get an English and Gaelic option. I’ve downloaded the free App because it kept freezing on the browser, but I think that’s noes to do with Storm Ciara hitting with a vengeance and affecting the broadband. BBC are streaming the RTE feed also but only if in UK BBC rte feed (UK only) |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2020 16:20:09 GMT
First member elected - Donnchadh Ó Laoghaire (SF, Cork South Central) has quota on first preferences.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 16:24:08 GMT
Cork South Central:
O’Laoghaire (SF) 14,057 (elected)
Martin (FF) 11,023
Coveney (FG) 9,237
McGrath (FF) 9,236
Bogue (GRN) 5,379
Buttimer (FG) 2,928
Daly (AON) 1,350
Kennedy (LAB) 1,263
O’Dwyer (SD) 1,077
Murray Walsh (S-PBP) 764
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 9, 2020 16:26:21 GMT
It definitely seems like SF have under nominated, and that will cost them quite a few potential seats. That seems to be one of the worst aspects of STV - how many candidates you nominate seems almost as important as how many votes you get! Indeed. Given that the case for PR is no need for tactical voting, I think its a dreadful system I genuinely find it surprising that it has so many advocates. It would be hard to design a more perverse electoral system. |
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 16:29:50 GMT
Dublin Rathdown - Count 1
MARTIN, GP 8,958
RICHMOND , FG 6,743
MADIGAN, FG 6,482
NIC CORMAIC, SF 4,926
BRENNAN, FF 4,549
ROSS, IND 3,419
MCCARTHY, LAB 3,179
Ó CEANNABHÁIN, SOL-PBP 1,498
COUGHLAN, AON 1,413
CONROY, FF 886
NOONAN, IND 350
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 9, 2020 16:31:25 GMT
Have you seen this?
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 9, 2020 16:32:14 GMT
Ok, in England we get a few early results in a few compact urban seats that are usually a foregone conclusion anyway, Blyth Valley. Even they're not usually that slow, and they can blame it on the restless wave. It's Arundel and South Downs that really was just pathetic this time. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 9, 2020 16:33:39 GMT
That is really excellent vote balancing from the Healy-Raes. For a stupid electoral system, they're doing a fantastic job of gaming it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 16:37:31 GMT
Guirke of SF elected on first count in Meath West according to RTE
Toibin of Aontu in second but short of the quota
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 16:40:06 GMT
Meath West:
GUIRKE, SF 12,652 (elected)
TÓIBÍN, AON 7,322
CASSELLS, FF 6,742
ENGLISH, FG 5,499
FRENCH, FG 2,952
MOORE, SD 2,376
MCMENAMIN, GP 1,935
REILLY, FG 1,817
MALONE, RN 209
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 9, 2020 16:41:36 GMT
We are all just figments in a Healy-Rae universe.
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Post by greenhert on Feb 9, 2020 16:44:50 GMT
Dublin Mid West, 1st count:
Eoin O Broin (SF) 11,842 (elected)
Mark Ward (SF) 7,621
John Curran (FF) 4,931
Emer Higgins (FG) 4,487
Gino Kenny (Sol-PBP) 3,572
Vicki Casserly (FG) 3,501
Paul Gogarty (Ind) 2,950
Peter Kavanagh (GP) 2,785
Joanna Tuffy (Lab) 1,541
Francis Timmons (Ind) 1,103
Caitriona McLean (FF) 667
David Gardiner (WP) 452.
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 16:55:52 GMT
That is really excellent vote balancing from the Healy-Raes. For a stupid electoral system, they're doing a fantastic job of gaming it. If Indies can do it so successfully, I don't know why actual political parties make such a mess of it. As I have said elsewhere ( I think in a Scottish context), if I were making up the rules for a national STV election, I would make any registered political parties wishing to contest a multi-member constituency put a full slate of candidates up for that constituency and if they couldn't or wouldn't do so, any candidates they had would have to stand as independents and would not be permitted to use their party's resources. It would be permissable for the party to inform its supporters of a preferred order, preferably pre-determined by internal party elections, and at a pinch I might agree to that information being on the ballot paper, though I would prefer it wasn't. I know last time I said this there were howls of derision, mainly I think about the size of the ballot paper, but other countries (maybe brighter than Brits) seem to manage it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 16:57:42 GMT
That is really excellent vote balancing from the Healy-Raes. For a stupid electoral system, they're doing a fantastic job of gaming it. If Indies can do it so successfully, I don't know why actual political parties make such a mess of it. As I have said elsewhere ( I think in a Scottish context), if I were making up the rules for a national STV election, I would make any registered political parties wishing to contest a multi-member constituency put a full slate of candidates up for that constituency and if they couldn't or wouldn't do so, any candidates they had would have to stand as independents and would not be permitted to use their party's resources. It would be permissable for the party to inform its supporters of a preferred order, preferably pre-determined by internal party elections, and at a pinch I might agree to that information being on the ballot paper, though I would prefer it wasn't. I know last time I said this there were howls of derision, mainly I think about the size of the ballot paper, but other countries (maybe brighter than Brits) seem to manage it. I actually think that's a good way to do an STV election. But I also think it shows a couple of the many reasons why STV is the most god-awful electoral system ever devised. |
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 17:00:25 GMT
Danny as eloquent as ever..
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 17:04:36 GMT
Dublin West Count 1
DONNELLY, SF 12,456 (elected)
VARADKAR, FG 8,478
CHAMBERS, FF 6,892
O'GORMAN, GP 4,901
COPPINGER, SOL-PBP 4,353
BURTON, LAB 2,096
CURRIE, FG 1,870
MACMANUS, AON 1,062
Ó MAOLÁIN, SD 817
CASEY, IND 495
O'LOUGHLIN, IND 184
O'LEARY, IND 24
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Post by greenhert on Feb 9, 2020 17:05:46 GMT
Labour is heading for a wipeout in Ireland.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 9, 2020 17:07:14 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 17:09:08 GMT
Meath West: GUIRKE, SF 12,652 (elected) TÓIBÍN, AON 7,322 CASSELLS, FF 6,742 ENGLISH, FG 5,499 FRENCH, FG 2,952 MOORE, SD 2,376 MCMENAMIN, GP 1,935 REILLY, FG 1,817 MALONE, RN 209 Love that one- Fine Gael with 3 candidates, and one each for the others. and what names to sort out the men from the boys. |
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