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Post by pragmaticidealist on Feb 9, 2020 17:09:13 GMT
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 9, 2020 17:11:02 GMT
That is really excellent vote balancing from the Healy-Raes. For a stupid electoral system, they're doing a fantastic job of gaming it. If Indies can do it so successfully, I don't know why actual political parties make such a mess of it. As I have said elsewhere ( I think in a Scottish context), if I were making up the rules for a national STV election, I would make any registered political parties wishing to contest a multi-member constituency put a full slate of candidates up for that constituency and if they couldn't or wouldn't do so, any candidates they had would have to stand as independents and would not be permitted to use their party's resources. It would be permissable for the party to inform its supporters of a preferred order, preferably pre-determined by internal party elections, and at a pinch I might agree to that information being on the ballot paper, though I would prefer it wasn't. I know last time I said this there were howls of derision, mainly I think about the size of the ballot paper, but other countries (maybe brighter than Brits) seem to manage it. If you have to regulate the behaviour of political parties like that, you might as well use some variety of (relatively open) party list PR. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 9, 2020 17:11:23 GMT
Labour is heading for a wipeout in Ireland. quite incredible, when you consider who the President is. But- this is of Labour's own making and has been a long time in the making. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 17:14:25 GMT
Dublin Bay South
Eamonn Ryan (Green) elected on first count
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 17:15:15 GMT
If Indies can do it so successfully, I don't know why actual political parties make such a mess of it. As I have said elsewhere ( I think in a Scottish context), if I were making up the rules for a national STV election, I would make any registered political parties wishing to contest a multi-member constituency put a full slate of candidates up for that constituency and if they couldn't or wouldn't do so, any candidates they had would have to stand as independents and would not be permitted to use their party's resources. It would be permissable for the party to inform its supporters of a preferred order, preferably pre-determined by internal party elections, and at a pinch I might agree to that information being on the ballot paper, though I would prefer it wasn't. I know last time I said this there were howls of derision, mainly I think about the size of the ballot paper, but other countries (maybe brighter than Brits) seem to manage it. If you have to regulate the behaviour of political parties like that, you might as well use some variety of (relatively open) party list PR. I think what I have in mind would be a merger of STV and Open List, which (I hope) could incorporate the best aspects of both. |
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Post by greenhert on Feb 9, 2020 17:16:16 GMT
Dublin Bay South, count 1:
Eamon Ryan (GP) 8,888 (elected)
Chris Andrews (SF) 6,361
Eoghan Murphy (FG) 6,346
Jim O'Callaghan (FF) 5,474
Kate O'Connell (FG) 4,624
Kevin Humphreys (Lab) 3,121
Sarah Durcan (SD) 1,801
Annette Mooney (Sol-PBP) 1,002
Mannix Flynn (Ind) 645
Jacqui Gilbourne (Renua) 602
Peter Dooley (Ind) 281
Ben Scallan (IFP) 245
Norma Burke (Ind) 110
John Dominic Keigher (Ind) 48
Sean O'Leary (Ind) 11.
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Post by dizz on Feb 9, 2020 17:21:57 GMT
Labour is heading for a wipeout in Ireland. No they are not. They will win 4 to 6 seats. Admittedly down from 7. They will hold Wexford & Cork E & will gain Dublin North Bay. They should hold Dublin Fingal; will probably hold Tipperary & could gain Louth. Dublin West; Limerick City & Longford-Westmeath all look lost. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 17:33:46 GMT
Johnny Mythen of SF elected on the first count in Wexford, more than 6,000 votes over quota!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 17:37:20 GMT
Wexford
Quota: 12,513
Mythen (SF) 18,717 (elected)
Howlin (Lab) 9,223
Browne (FF) 9,058
D'Arcy (FG) 6,472
Kehoe (FG) 6,337
Byrne (FF) 6,415
Murphy (Ind) 5,825
Sheehan (FF) 4,366
Carthy (Ind) 3,024
Roseingrave (GP) 2,028
Codd (Aon) 1,518
McDonald (FF) 1,351
Wadding (PBP) 1,146
O'Shea (I4C) 825
Murphy (Ind) 86
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 9, 2020 17:42:40 GMT
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 17:46:32 GMT
Cork East Count 1:
BUCKLEY, SF 12,587 (elected)
O'KEEFFE, FF 7,414
O'CONNOR, FF 7,026
SHERLOCK, LAB 6,610
STANTON, FG 6,143
O'DRISCOLL, FG 4,554
LINEHAN-FOLEY, IND 3,903
QUAIDE, GP 3,749
HANNON, AON 1,337
SHINNICK, IFP 455
KIELY, IND 435
O'GRADY, IND 267
O'LEARY, IND 64
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Post by greenhert on Feb 9, 2020 17:50:39 GMT
Deesie Ellis elected with a truly amazing 44.4% of the 1st preference votes in Dublin North West.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2020 17:51:01 GMT
Clear case of undernomination by SF in Dublin North West where Dessie Ellis has just won with 1.78 quotas and no other candidate to receive them.
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Post by greenhert on Feb 9, 2020 17:54:02 GMT
Judging by the 1st counts in Wexford and Cork East, incumbency of present TDs is likely the only thing that will save Labour's bacon in Ireland.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2020 17:54:56 GMT
Another one - David Cullinane (SF) elected with 1.91 quotas in Waterford.
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 17:57:01 GMT
Clear case of undernomination by SF in Dublin North West where Dessie Ellis has just won with 1.78 quotas and no other candidate to receive them. Interesting to see where the surplus goes? |
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Post by mrpastelito on Feb 9, 2020 17:57:06 GMT
Another one - David Cullinane (SF) elected with 1.91 quotas in Waterford.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 17:58:05 GMT
Where do all these SF votes with no SF candidate to transfer to go?
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 17:59:05 GMT
Waterford Count 1:
CULLINANE, SF 20,569 (elected)
BUTLER, FF 6,644
SHANAHAN, IND 4,990
CUMMINS, FG 4,592
GEOGHEGAN, FG 4,289
Ó CATHASAIGH, GP 3,996
PRATT, LAB 3,498
MULLIGAN, FF 2,654
DUNPHY, SOL-PBP 1,153
CLEARY, AON 1,049
PHILLIPS, IND 324
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