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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 9, 2020 11:26:55 GMT
getting accurate and fair representation of the people's will STV is only pseudoperfect! |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2020 11:29:07 GMT
If things feel very slow, that's because they are.
Last time the first constituency to declare its first preference results was Galway East at a quarter to three in the afternoon.
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Post by relique on Feb 9, 2020 11:31:43 GMT
Seeing the tallies come in, I find that Sinn Féin does systematically better than my predictions. I predicted 19% for SF and 37 seats. I don't think there'll be more seats, but the exit poll might be spot on between 21 and 22% probably. I don't think there will be a big over-estimation of SF in the exit poll. For Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, I must say, I was a lot more wrong in my predictions so I can't say...
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 9, 2020 11:44:28 GMT
offer me an alternative candidate the absence of an Orban like character in Ireland seems a poor argument in favour of arguing that SF is the closest thing to it. SF are a damn sight closer to being a fascist party than about 50% of European parties that have been accused of being crypto-fascists. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 9, 2020 11:48:26 GMT
getting accurate and fair representation of the people's will STV is only pseudoperfect! something true of all electoral systems tbh. "Perfection" isn't the aim. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 9, 2020 11:51:25 GMT
RTE reporting that Dessie Ellis of SF in Dublin NW has 44.3% of first preferences. Blimey.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 11:51:41 GMT
Mislabelling parties as crypto fascist doesn't justify mislabelling SF as anymore fascist
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 9, 2020 11:52:55 GMT
John Brassil of FF has conceded in Kerry, and has launched a broadside at the party's strategy.
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Post by relique on Feb 9, 2020 11:53:14 GMT
Even in RTE, they are now saying the exit poll might have underestimated Sinn Féin (!) Will it be the first party in term of 1st preference ?
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In Meath West, the battle for the third seat won't be between Aontu's Toibin and SF's Guirke, but rather between FF and FG ! With FF having a better 1st pref (16% vs 12%) but no running mates (second and third FG at 6 and 5%). Aontu's Toibin is at 20% and SF at 30 (!)% ! I thought I was being too generous when I expected them to have 21%, just a little bit lower than Toibin in 2016.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 9, 2020 12:06:42 GMT
John Brassil of FF has conceded in Kerry, and has launched a broadside at the party's strategy. ...of running three candidates in that constituency. Why do Irish parties continue to screw up nominations? Have they never thought of either better internal discipline or redesigning the ballot paper to group parties? |
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Post by myth11 on Feb 9, 2020 12:08:29 GMT
RTE reporting that Dessie Ellis of SF in Dublin NW has 44.3% of first preferences. Blimey. If that,s true then what a waste of first preference votes but that,s the problem with 3 seat STV as its a risk putting up 2 candidates. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 9, 2020 12:13:37 GMT
John Brassil of FF has conceded in Kerry, and has launched a broadside at the party's strategy. ...of running three candidates in that constituency. Why do Irish parties continue to screw up nominations? Have they never thought of either better internal discipline or redesigning the ballot paper to group parties?Doesn't look like it. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 9, 2020 12:23:16 GMT
Mislabelling parties as crypto fascist doesn't justify mislabelling SF as anymore fascist This is true. Apologists for murder is a more accurate label. |
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Post by jamie on Feb 9, 2020 12:40:57 GMT
John Brassil of FF has conceded in Kerry, and has launched a broadside at the party's strategy. ...of running three candidates in that constituency. Why do Irish parties continue to screw up nominations? Have they never thought of either better internal discipline or redesigning the ballot paper to group parties? They had less than a quota last time! |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 9, 2020 12:51:06 GMT
Mislabelling parties as crypto fascist doesn't justify mislabelling SF as anymore fascist This is true. Apologists for murder is a more accurate label. Yes - and "apologist" not in the sense of its misuse by the populace (as if it meant "rependant"), instead in the word's real sense of "defender". |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 9, 2020 13:01:14 GMT
Mislabelling parties as crypto fascist doesn't justify mislabelling SF as anymore fascist This is true. Apologists for murder is a more accurate label. ‘Apologists’ implies that someone else carried out the murder. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:05:48 GMT
We've come a long way from the troubles and what's been achieved with both sides of divide coming together to work together I think is remarkable, whod ever have imagined Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness in government together.
I agree with Boogie that people like SF entering a democracy is a relief
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 13:07:17 GMT
This is true. Apologists for murder is a more accurate label. ‘Apologists’ implies that someone else carried out the murder. I suppose you could call the current leadership apologists as they unlike prior leadership had little to do with the troubles |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 9, 2020 13:16:51 GMT
‘Apologists’ implies that someone else carried out the murder. I suppose you could call the current leadership apologists as they unlike prior leadership had little to do with the troubles The leadership aren’t the public faces. The actual leadership had, and continue to have, much to do with murder and violence. |
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 9, 2020 13:39:10 GMT
Seems I significantly overestimated FF..
Suspect my prediction for FG and SF won't be too far off, few seats either way.
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