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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 8, 2020 23:58:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 0:02:04 GMT
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Feb 9, 2020 0:13:56 GMT
Sinn Féin opposed the removal of Birthright Citizenship in 2004,so Orbanist they are not.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 9, 2020 0:19:13 GMT
If I lived in Ireland the choice of Fine Gael or Fianna Fail would depress me so at least this shakes things up a bit. Not just you. FF, FG, SF/IRA is not a very appealing choice. You just have to go for the best of that absolute worst. |
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Post by relique on Feb 9, 2020 1:41:47 GMT
Not just you. FF, FG, SF/IRA is not a very appealing choice. You just have to go for the best of that absolute worst. They are all awful. I would move to NI or UK haha I would probably have more problems in the UK finding anyone to vote for (and let's avoid talking about voting in the US... ). Hard-leftwing-brexiteers economists are not that common I believe... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 1:46:44 GMT
We should all move to the Netherlands, its humanly impossible not to have an option there. Plus, your preferred option is guaranteed at least one seat in parliament because practically everyone is!
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 7:02:52 GMT
Four seats in Sligo-Leitrim so the quota is 20% - I'd say the seats go SF/FF/FG/Ind. Battle for final seat between second FF and Marian Harkin. If it's anything like last time won't the initial battle be to get the ballot box open? ISTR they needed a hacksaw in the last election. Perhaps if its like that they shouldn't bother. Draw it by lots, it will make as much sense, |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 7:05:56 GMT
but Jesus isn't listed in the graphic, Anna- maybe he's included with the Independents |
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Post by relique on Feb 9, 2020 9:40:58 GMT
the absence of an Orban like character in Ireland seems a poor argument in favour of arguing that SF is the closest thing to it. I am a fairly well read guy on politics and off hand I can't think of a better candidate. Including Orban. Now I think that for a fascist party to embrace democracy is a very healthy move, I think the FF and FG refusing to coalesce with them while demanding that the DUP must do so are frankly hypocritical and indeed counterproductive to SF move to democratic politics But if you think I am wrong, offer me a better example.
In my humble opinion, I would rather compare Sinn Féin (in terms of "place in the democratic spectrum", not actual policies) to some of the western europe communist parties maybe in the 1970s or the beginning of the 1980s. At that time, they had abandoned stalinism for several years (maybe like Sinn Féin having a new generation of leaders ?) and began to become potential allies for other left-wing parties.
In France, the communist party and the socialist party signed a common agenda in 1972. Less than ten years later (back then, 9 years was not that long !) there were communist party ministers, something that internationally was horrifying to many.
Of course, the history of Sinn Féin and the history of the Communist Party are different. But if we want to draw comparison to the "arrival" of the party onto the democratic spectrum, it is much more pertinent that a comparison with fascism which gained traction in countries like Italy and Germany through some elites as well as a popular base. That's not the case really for Sinn Féin.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 9:41:16 GMT
There are genuine neo nazis in European democracies that make Orban look like small fish and SF aren't one of them
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 9, 2020 9:52:57 GMT
What time do they start counting the votes?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 9:54:59 GMT
What time do they start counting the votes? The count will start tomorrow morning I believe.
I don't know how much time does it take to have the results of the first count. Two hours ? Three ?
Looking at RTE’s schedules they’ve got an election special at 9.55pm tonight - exit poll? and then results programme from 9.40am tomorrow. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 9, 2020 9:55:29 GMT
the absence of an Orban like character in Ireland seems a poor argument in favour of arguing that SF is the closest thing to it. I am a fairly well read guy on politics and off hand I can't think of a better candidate. Including Orban. Now I think that for a fascist party to embrace democracy is a very healthy move, I think the FF and FG refusing to coalesce with them while demanding that the DUP must do so are frankly hypocritical and indeed counterproductive to SF move to democratic politics But if you think I am wrong, offer me a better example. The Northern Ireland comparison is entirely false; the NI Agreement, legally binding statute in both the UK and the Republic, is unequivocally clear that the devolved government has to include the largest elected representatives of both communities; if the SDLP were to return to the position they were in under John Hume and Seamus Mallon it would be them coming under pressure to return to joint working with the DUP. As it is in the Republic SF cannot, and would not themselves, claim to represent one single part of the electorate as they do in the North, and there is no legal obligation in the Republic’s Constitution for them to be involved in any coalition whatever their percentage of the vote or number of TD’s. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 10:04:15 GMT
RTE reporting FF have first seat
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2020 10:10:08 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 9, 2020 10:16:51 GMT
RTE reporting FF have first seat That's the outgoing Ceann Comhairle, automatically returned unopposed - Seán Ó Fearghaíl, Fianna Fáil in Kildare South. No actual results yet. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 9, 2020 10:41:48 GMT
What time do they start counting the votes? They started at 9am. If it had been us they'd have declared Newcastle Central and Houghton and Sunderland South by now. |
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Post by edgbaston on Feb 9, 2020 10:48:51 GMT
What time do they start counting the votes? They started at 9am. If it had been us they'd have declared Newcastle Central and Houghton and Sunderland South by now. Iowa recently, and the fact we have no results in this morning, makes me glad of FPTP |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 9, 2020 10:55:09 GMT
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 9, 2020 11:16:49 GMT
They started at 9am. If it had been us they'd have declared Newcastle Central and Houghton and Sunderland South by now. Iowa recently, and the fact we have no results in this morning, makes me glad of FPTP I am not going to try to defend the American voting system(s)- that would be insane. But I can't see why you see the Irish system as an argument for FPTP just because there aren't any results within the first two hours of the count. Ok, in England we get a few early results in a few compact urban seats that are usually a foregone conclusion anyway, and then wait a couple of days to get the full results from the likes of St Ives. Except for a few it's of no real significance anyway compared with getting accurate and fair representation of the people's will. There may be legitimate arguments for preferring FPTP to STV, say, but speed of first results ain't one of them. |
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