Richard Allen
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Four time loser in VUKPOTY finals
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 28, 2013 19:09:28 GMT
Final Count
FG: 11,473
FF: 9,582
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Post by timrollpickering on Mar 28, 2013 20:11:59 GMT
Surely they could have just eliminated everyone but the top two on the first count? I think the deposit can be saved based on votes on the last relevant round. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 29, 2013 2:47:28 GMT
Surely they could have just eliminated everyone but the top two on the first count? The reason they don't is to give the middle-ranking candidates a chance to reach the 12.5% they need to hold their deposit. If any candidate is below 12.5%, but has the possibility of reaching 12.5% from transfers, then they stay in the election even if they can't win. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 29, 2013 10:00:17 GMT
The reason they don't is to give the middle-ranking candidates a chance to reach the 12.5% they need to hold their deposit. If any candidate is below 12.5%, but has the possibility of reaching 12.5% from transfers, then they stay in the election even if they can't win. It might be worth saying that when the UK used STV in the University constituencies, the rule was different. In a two-member constituency a candidate forfeited their deposit if they were not elected and did not poll one-eighth of the first preference vote. In a three member constituency the amount was one third of one eighth of the first preference vote. This led several times to occasions when candidates only saved their deposit because they were elected, as for instance with Kenneth Lindsay in Combined English Universities in 1945 (Lt-Col Eric Arden, who outpolled him on first preferences but went behind on transfers, lost his deposit) and Sir John Graham Kerr in Combined Scottish Universities also in 1945. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 30, 2013 0:56:57 GMT
The reason they don't is to give the middle-ranking candidates a chance to reach the 12.5% they need to hold their deposit. If any candidate is below 12.5%, but has the possibility of reaching 12.5% from transfers, then they stay in the election even if they can't win. It might be worth saying that when the UK used STV in the University constituencies, the rule was different. In a two-member constituency a candidate forfeited their deposit if they were not elected and did not poll one-eighth of the first preference vote. In a three member constituency the amount was one third of one eighth of the first preference vote. This led several times to occasions when candidates only saved their deposit because they were elected, as for instance with Kenneth Lindsay in Combined English Universities in 1945 (Lt-Col Eric Arden, who outpolled him on first preferences but went behind on transfers, lost his deposit) and Sir John Graham Kerr in Combined Scottish Universities also in 1945. Very interesting. I had forgotten that anomaly, even though I must have read about it in my copy of Craig's book. It is also worth mentioning that the threshold for retaining a candidate's deposit would have been 5% of the votes in the first round of an AV election, and would not have depended on subsequent transfers, if AV had been adopted as a result of the 2011 referendum. |
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Sibboleth
Labour
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 30, 2013 23:05:43 GMT
Utterly horrific showing by our fraternal comrades, but (alas) quite, quite, quite deserved.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 11, 2015 21:42:17 GMT
There's a constitutional referendum on 22 May to decide whether to allow same sex marriage, and whether to lower the minimum age for the Presidency from 35 to 21. The former is by far the more controversial. (Also a Dáil byelection in Carlow-Kilkenny, defended by Fine Gael).
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Toylyyev
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Post by Toylyyev on Apr 11, 2019 13:58:10 GMT
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obsie
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Post by obsie on Apr 11, 2019 14:12:49 GMT
Nominations don't close until the first week in May so I wouldn't expect those party candidate totals to be absolutely final. Having said that, the decline in nomination figures for Labour looks like being the lowest ever and is indicative of a moribund party. |
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obsie
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Post by obsie on Apr 25, 2019 20:17:31 GMT
Having said that, the decline in nomination figures for Labour looks like being the lowest ever and is indicative of a moribund party. The fact that, ten days before the nomination deadline, Labour still seem to have no candidate in either of the Tallaght electoral areas speaks volumes about the state of the party. (Tallaght is a very large and very working-class suburb/banlieue to the south-west of Dublin city which forms the core of the Dublin South West Dáil constituency which had two Labour TDs up until 2016.)
Update 27/4: A former perennial candidate has been dredged up to stand in Tallaght Central, but Tallaght South - the more working-class of the two - still seems to be without any candidate.
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 25, 2019 21:11:11 GMT
Having said that, the decline in nomination figures for Labour looks like being the lowest ever and is indicative of a moribund party. The fact that, ten days before the nomination deadline, Labour still seem to have no candidate in either of the Tallaght electoral areas speaks volumes about the state of the party. (Tallaght is a very large and very working-class suburb/banlieue to the south-west of Dublin city which forms the core of the Dublin South West Dáil constituency which had two Labour TDs up until 2016.) The Irish Labour Party are a sad joke these days. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 25, 2019 21:18:34 GMT
The fact that, ten days before the nomination deadline, Labour still seem to have no candidate in either of the Tallaght electoral areas speaks volumes about the state of the party. (Tallaght is a very large and very working-class suburb/banlieue to the south-west of Dublin city which forms the core of the Dublin South West Dáil constituency which had two Labour TDs up until 2016.) The Irish Labour Party are a sad joke these days. Got taken over by a bunch of postcommunist culture warriors, sad! |
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 25, 2019 21:24:26 GMT
The Irish Labour Party are a sad joke these days. Got taken over by a bunch of postcommunist culture warriors, sad! My family in Ireland have spent years voting for Independents of a socialist hue, hate FF, FG, SF et al. Labour people forever before that. Several are now backing Aontu. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 25, 2019 23:34:51 GMT
The Irish Labour Party are a sad joke these days. Got taken over by a bunch of postcommunist culture warriors, sad! Ah, Ivana Bacik. |
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obsie
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Post by obsie on Apr 27, 2019 16:24:58 GMT
Got taken over by a bunch of postcommunist culture warriors, sad! Ah, Ivana Bacik. Bacik isn't one of the ex-Sticks (she's a long-term party member who diplomatically stood as an independent in Trinity Seanad elections and only took the Labour whip in the Seanad after 2011) and is relatively less culture-war obsessed than some (yes, I'm looking at you, Aodhán Ó Ríordáin).
Looking at where the effort seems to be being put in, one can conclude that Labour's imagined working-class base has largely been abandoned to the Shinners and the Trots. They got 7% last time and 50 seats (down from 150 in 2009) and I would expect both figures to be well down (5% and 30-35?) this time round. |
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Post by dizz on May 5, 2019 14:01:48 GMT
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Post by thinwhiteduke on May 18, 2019 18:00:47 GMT
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 23, 2019 14:23:15 GMT
I am looking forward to the Irish local elections tomorrow - I love the accuracy of the tallymen, the incredibly local focus of many of the campaigns and the results as they come in, transfers and all. Also, they have mayoral plebiscites for Cork City Council, Limerick City and County Council & Waterford City and County Council.
Official count begins on Saturday morning.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on May 24, 2019 21:11:04 GMT
Shocking result.
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Post by curiousliberal on May 24, 2019 21:15:32 GMT
"We ain't called the Emerald Isle for nothing." |
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