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Post by relique on Jan 29, 2020 16:30:54 GMT
I quite understand how it's not a real political strategy to say "out with the jobs", but the problem with those companies is the too high concentration of highly paid jobs. Ireland needs companies with blue-collar and engineers, not just "creative-tech" people coming from all over Europe (and probably not giving a shit about the country's future).
I mean... When I listened to Micheal Martin say "Ireland is an open economy, focused on exports", I just wanted to shout at my computer "can anyone translate that into 'tax haven' ?".
I do hope Ireland will transform into something else than just leeching on to continental-europe tech-economic activites being based in Dublin and show a bit more solidarity to the peoples of continental Europe which try also to fund hospitals and so on with taxes... (That is also one of the reason why I laugh at the face of "left"-leaning british people telling me how the EU is the place for solidarity, social progress etc... that's just wrong on so many levels that I'm quite envious of Brexit)
And again, it'll be probably for the better for irish housing... Said countries could do with actually collecting the tax, as Ireland does. Neither Ireland nor its tax regime have any effect on the laxity of revenue collection in the likes of Greece or Italy. Ireland also has nothing to do with the long-standing problems in France, with its roughly 1000 year headstart as an independent country and status as an economic superpower for much of that. If these countries want to fund their hospitals and so on with taxes, they should follow Ireland's lead and actually collect it efficiently. The suggestion that Ireland is where it is because it is a mere tax haven is a hoary old canard. Ireland boomed partly because, even in its poorer days, it focussed heavily on education. Hence why it continues to do better than various other EU states with even lower corporation tax rates, including Bulgaria (which in 1980 had a higher GDP per capita than Ireland).
Yeah, 30% growth because of "education" and "tax collection", not because of english-speaking tax haven...
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 29, 2020 17:03:45 GMT
Said countries could do with actually collecting the tax, as Ireland does. Neither Ireland nor its tax regime have any effect on the laxity of revenue collection in the likes of Greece or Italy. Ireland also has nothing to do with the long-standing problems in France, with its roughly 1000 year headstart as an independent country and status as an economic superpower for much of that. If these countries want to fund their hospitals and so on with taxes, they should follow Ireland's lead and actually collect it efficiently. The suggestion that Ireland is where it is because it is a mere tax haven is a hoary old canard. Ireland boomed partly because, even in its poorer days, it focussed heavily on education. Hence why it continues to do better than various other EU states with even lower corporation tax rates, including Bulgaria (which in 1980 had a higher GDP per capita than Ireland).
Yeah, 30% growth because of "education" and "tax collection", not because of english-speaking tax haven...
If Ireland is a tax haven, then I imagine you consider most of Europe to be one. |
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Post by relique on Jan 29, 2020 17:14:06 GMT
If we're talking Luxembourg, Switzerland, city of London, Andorre, Liechtenstein, Belgium, in some aspects yes.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 29, 2020 18:23:52 GMT
You might want to look up Starbucks' UK's tax affairs in the Netherlands too...
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Post by relique on Jan 29, 2020 18:30:52 GMT
You might want to look up Starbucks' UK's tax affairs in the Netherlands too... Indeed the Netherlands and Cyprus too. In France we have had two brothers members of parliament for the communist party (Éric and Alain Bocquet, Éric still a senator and Alain transmitted his constituency to the current head of the communist party) who worked a lot on tax evasion and specifically in Europe. They published quite a few parliamentary reports and books which are good reads (if you read french ). |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 31, 2020 8:38:14 GMT
Claire Hanna canvassing for Labour in Louth SDLP South Down Parliamentary candidate Michael Savage canvassing for Fianna Fail in Galway Why is she in deeply Conservative Lincolnshire? |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 31, 2020 10:38:26 GMT
Claire Hanna canvassing for Labour in Louth SDLP South Down Parliamentary candidate Michael Savage canvassing for Fianna Fail in Galway Why is she in deeply Conservative Lincolnshire? They really must be twinned- Louth, Lincs and Co. Louth |
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Jan 31, 2020 14:59:06 GMT
Drogheda is nothing like Louth, Lincs, and I have been to both places.
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 31, 2020 17:11:57 GMT
Drogheda is nothing like Louth, Lincs, and I have been to both places. So have I, as it happens , and I agree I can see a few differences. But it seemed a pity to waste some nice puns when looking at the links with Lincolnshire and the context of Co Louth. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 31, 2020 21:29:04 GMT
Drogheda is nothing like Louth, Lincs, and I have been to both places. Drogheda is also the name of the ranch in The Thorn Birds. And is also nothing like Drogheda. |
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 1, 2020 0:16:10 GMT
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Feb 1, 2020 0:27:20 GMT
Online based and the first poll done by Panelbase, in the Republic.. SD's and S-PBP vote seems a bit inflated. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 1, 2020 0:30:56 GMT
Panelbase....no surprise that some of the parties are over-inflated. Not a chance SD and S-PBP have 10% between them.
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Post by obsie on Feb 1, 2020 1:55:25 GMT
Drogheda is nothing like Louth, Lincs, and I have been to both places. Drogheda is also the name of the ranch in The Thorn Birds. And is also nothing like Drogheda. Especially not in its pronunciation. |
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Post by obsie on Feb 1, 2020 1:57:58 GMT
Panelbase....no surprise that some of the parties are over-inflated. Not a chance SD and S-PBP have 10% between them. Basically any party that you might expect to be overestimated in a poorly-weighted online poll is overestimated (SDs - essentially Irish Woke Twitter - and Rentatrot being the most egregious examples). If SF are on the up (and I think they are, at least for the moment) then you would expect both of these, but especially the Trots, to be heavily cannibalized as a result. FF and the gene-pool independents would be the most likely to be underpolled in the same circumstances. |
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Post by relique on Feb 1, 2020 20:03:20 GMT
Panelbase....no surprise that some of the parties are over-inflated. Not a chance SD and S-PBP have 10% between them. Basically any party that you might expect to be overestimated in a poorly-weighted online poll is overestimated (SDs - essentially Irish Woke Twitter - and Rentatrot being the most egregious examples). If SF are on the up (and I think they are, at least for the moment) then you would expect both of these, but especially the Trots, to be heavily cannibalized as a result. FF and the gene-pool independents would be the most likely to be underpolled in the same circumstances. I saw on twitter some rumors about the RedC poll which will be published tomorrow. They say FF 24 (-2), SF 24 (+5) and FG 21 (-2). The bubble hasn't burst yet I guess...
(At the same stage, RedC poll last time was FG 30 (+2), FF 18 (=) and SF 16 (-4) )
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 1, 2020 20:38:21 GMT
Basically any party that you might expect to be overestimated in a poorly-weighted online poll is overestimated (SDs - essentially Irish Woke Twitter - and Rentatrot being the most egregious examples). If SF are on the up (and I think they are, at least for the moment) then you would expect both of these, but especially the Trots, to be heavily cannibalized as a result. FF and the gene-pool independents would be the most likely to be underpolled in the same circumstances. I saw on twitter some rumors about the RedC poll which will be published tomorrow. They say FF 24 (-2), SF 24 (+5) and FG 21 (-2). The bubble hasn't burst yet I guess...
(At the same stage, RedC poll last time was FG 30 (+2), FF 18 (=) and SF 16 (-4) )
I've seem them too. Bizarrely, you will probably see transfers in record numbers from FG to FF to stop SF. |
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Post by relique on Feb 1, 2020 20:48:31 GMT
I saw on twitter some rumors about the RedC poll which will be published tomorrow. They say FF 24 (-2), SF 24 (+5) and FG 21 (-2). The bubble hasn't burst yet I guess...
(At the same stage, RedC poll last time was FG 30 (+2), FF 18 (=) and SF 16 (-4) )
I've seem them too. Bizarrely, you will probably see transfers in record numbers from FG to FF to stop SF. I guess so.
When I tried to do predictions constituency by constituency, it was quite funny. I first did a "personal" predictions (and I got SF at 14% overall, 29 for FF and 21,5 for FG). And then I tried to do local predictions "according to the polls". It was quite difficult. I had huge trouble finding new votes for SF (at the first try, I only managed to put them at 16 !). I finally managed to put them at 19% but that was hard ! And so unrealistic locally... And that would award them 36 seats (with seats like Tipperary, Roscommon Galway, Limerick and Clare !).
Edit: I guess that's no rumor anymore
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Post by obsie on Feb 1, 2020 23:15:17 GMT
RedC for the Sunday Business Post:
FF 24 (-2)
SF 24 (+5)
FG 21 (-2)
Oth/Ind 12 (-2)
GP 7 (-1)
Lab 5 (+1)
SD 3 (-)
Aontú 2 (+1)
SP/SWP 1 (-1)
Comparing this poll with the equivalent RedC poll at this stage of the 2016 election and projecting forward gives us:
FF 30.3
SF 21.8
Ind/Oth 17.1
FG 16.5
GP 5.7
Lab 3.6
SD 2.0
SP/SWP 1.9
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 1, 2020 23:51:31 GMT
RedC for the Sunday Business Post: FF 24 (-2)SF 24 (+5)FG 21 (-2)Oth/Ind 12 (-2) GP 7 (-1)Lab 5 (+1)SD 3 (-)Aontú 2 (+1)SP/SWP 1 (-1)Comparing this poll with the equivalent RedC poll at this stage of the 2016 election and projecting forward gives us: FF 30.3SF 21.8Ind/Oth 17.1 FG 16.5GP 5.7Lab 3.6SD 2.0SP/SWP 1.9Aontu at 2%, in Irish polls, that is significant, as SD regularly poll at this level. SF vote is soft (due to turnout, er al), but is looking impressive this time. I still see FF being the biggest party and SF losing significant ministers. Have yoy listened to the Ivan Yates and Gavan Reily 'Calling it' podcasts? They are fascinating. |
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