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Post by obsie on Jan 17, 2020 0:46:53 GMT
I always assumed Fine Gael were the Centre-Right party in Ireland, has this changed in recent times. My highest was 41% for FF. I would of voted for the old Progressive Democrats who disappeared after the 2007/2008 financial crash. FG under Varadkar are Cameron-era Tories (arguably even more Osborne than Cameron), publicly "woke" but largely indifferent to the little people. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 17, 2020 11:54:07 GMT
A great Irish writer once inadvertently summed up who to trust in politics.
"A pint of plain is your only man".
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 17, 2020 12:02:04 GMT
A great Irish writer once inadvertently summed up who to trust in politics. "A pint of plain is your only man". Stout fellow. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 17, 2020 12:33:40 GMT
A great Irish writer once inadvertently summed up who to trust in politics. "A pint of plain is your only man". Stout fellow. A mild-mannered man. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 17, 2020 12:41:34 GMT
I always assumed Fine Gael were the Centre-Right party in Ireland, has this changed in recent times. My highest was 41% for FF. I would of voted for the old Progressive Democrats who disappeared after the 2007/2008 financial crash. FG under Varadkar are Cameron-era Tories (arguably even more Osborne than Cameron), publicly "woke" but largely indifferent to the little people. I'd accept that as criticism of Osborne but not Cameron. On immigration, multiculturalism etc. Cameron was more conservative, I'd say, than Boris is. Cameron, unlike Gideon, also cared about the less fortunate in society and, particularly, the NHS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 12:50:29 GMT
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Workers’ Party
Environmentalism • Secular • Regulation • Progressive • Left Wing • Tender • Isolationism • Pacifism • Multiculturalism • Collectivism • Keynesian • Big Government • Privacy Vote for
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Sinn Féin
Secular • Big Government • Left Wing • Tender • Keynesian • Decentralization Vote for
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Social Democrats
Secular • Progressive • Left Wing • Multiculturalism • Tender • Regulation • Democracy • Big Government • Collectivism • Pacifism • Politically Correct • Keynesian • Globalization • Globalism Vote for
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Green Party
Environmentalism • Secular • Progressive • Left Wing • Democracy • Multiculturalism • Tender • Pacifism • Politically Correct • Big Government • Collectivism • Keynesian • Globalization • Globalism Vote for
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Labour Party
Secular • Left Wing • Tender • Progressive • Big Government • Collectivism • Keynesian • Pacifism • Globalization • Regulation • Politically Correct • Globalism Vote for
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Fine Gael
Globalization Vote for
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Post by obsie on Jan 17, 2020 13:17:41 GMT
FG under Varadkar are Cameron-era Tories (arguably even more Osborne than Cameron), publicly "woke" but largely indifferent to the little people. I'd accept that as criticism of Osborne but not Cameron. On immigration, multiculturalism etc. Cameron was more conservative, I'd say, than Boris is. Cameron, unlike Gideon, also cared about the less fortunate in society and, particularly, the NHS. Leaving aside the gap between rhetoric and reality, that is why I said more Osborne than Cameron. (We still have to see what Johnson amounts to - my suspicion is that internal and external enemies will be sought once things go wrong.) |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 17, 2020 18:40:02 GMT
Sinn Fein have just suspended one of their Dublin Councillors, former MMA fighter Paddy "The Hooligan" Holohan, for making offensive comments "Sinn Fein has suspended one of its councillors, following comments he made about underage girls. Paddy Holohan, who represents the party in west Dublin, claimed on his podcast that "loads" of underage girls were having sex with men and blackmailing them. Yesterday, the councillor apologised for separate comments in which he said the country should be run by a "family man" and questioned Leo Varadkar's connection to Ireland because of his Indian heritage." www.buzz.ie/news/paddy-holohan-suspended-from-sinn-fein-effective-immediately-351478He was a bit of an accident waiting to happen wasn't he? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 17, 2020 18:52:31 GMT
Well if Sinn Fein were to expel all their offensive members there would be no party left
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Post by hedgehog on Jan 17, 2020 20:57:50 GMT
Fianna Fail 74%
Green party 62%
Social Dems 62%
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 17, 2020 21:09:37 GMT
Well if Sinn Fein were to expel all their offensive members there would be no party left I wonder if they have provisional expulsions and then official expulsions. Possibly real expulsions. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 17, 2020 21:58:38 GMT
Well if Sinn Fein were to expel all their offensive members there would be no party left I wonder if they have provisional expulsions and then official expulsions. Possibly real expulsions. Certainly continuity ones. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 17, 2020 22:19:50 GMT
Aontu have 21 candidates selected so far, with a handful more to come.
The real battles will be in Meath West (Peader Tóibín) and Cavan-Monaghan (Sarah O'Reilly). They wil be looking for strong votes in Donegal (Mary T. Sweeney), Mayo (Paul Lawless), Limerick City (Michael Ryan), Wexford (Jim Codd), Meath East (Emer Tóibín), Cork North-Central (Finian Toomey) and Galway West (Cormac O Corcorán).
A decentish vote will take them over 2% and get them governmental funding. This is a long game for Aontu.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 18, 2020 0:35:16 GMT
Well if Sinn Fein were to expel all their offensive members there would be no party left I wonder if they have provisional expulsions and then official expulsions. Possibly real expulsions. Otherwise known as 'disappeared' |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 18, 2020 19:50:23 GMT
I wonder if they have provisional expulsions and then official expulsions. Possibly real expulsions. Otherwise known as 'disappeared' Those are for when you expel a member, but pretend it never happened. And if it did, you didn't expel them. A bigger party did it and ran away. |
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Jan 19, 2020 0:12:13 GMT
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Post by obsie on Jan 19, 2020 2:48:36 GMT
Not in the least surprising; Brexit and the resultant bile from the Tory party and its camp-followers was what was holding them afloat. Once the conversation turned to domestic matters (housing, uneven growth, health, crime) they were always going to be in trouble and, just as in 2011 voting FG was the surest way of dumping FF out of office, in 2020 the reverse applies.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 19, 2020 10:32:02 GMT
Renua up one per cent! Blimey.
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Post by relique on Jan 19, 2020 11:08:26 GMT
I must say I'm not very familiar with polls in irish elections. Can we rely on them ? Or can we rely mostly on the "trends" from one poll to the next ?
Because this poll seems to indicate quite huge differences from the 2016 general election (+8, +5, +4 for FF, SF & GP; -5, -2, -2 for FG, Lab & S-PBPA). Even though I can understand the decrease for the party in government (that's quite classic) I thought Labour would benefit from being in the opposition. The good result for Sinn Féin seems weird also. That's quite better than the very good 2016, while local and european elections were not good (although I think they were, in the by-elections, at the level of 2016 in 2 or 3 constituencies).
I know here there's a lot people disparaging polls by LucidTalk (if they are indeed polls) so I wondered if you see polls in the republic as severely ? (more severely than usual polls of course; I know a poll is not at all significant, and in France for instance it's the trends in the last week or so that need to be observed more than the levels or early polls).
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 19, 2020 14:33:28 GMT
The problem with Irish Opinion Polls is that they are not consistent in prompting for all parties, they can't properly account for local factors and, as we know, Irish politics is very local. Also, before the local elections, one poll had SF on 18% and they ended up with 9.48%. Also, the whole working out where transfer will go is interesting and difficult to predict.
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