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Post by Foggy on May 10, 2021 19:04:00 GMT
'Anti-corruption' and Catalan unionism were of course the original selling point of Cs before they ever pivoted to equidistance. I am not aware of any formal PP-Vox coalitions yet (with the latter having actual ministers) at the regional level but as I said, when challenged about governing with their support during a TV debate, Ayuso almost seemed to relish legitimising them. An exVox-MP in Murcia was made Education&Culture-Minister there, but You are certainly aware of that. Indeed. But they key word is former Vox MP. It would be quite something if a sitting Vox member were invited to take an executive portfolio without having to leave the party first, but it may only be a matter of time until that happens and the party becomes further normalised.
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 10, 2021 20:26:50 GMT
An exVox-MP in Murcia was made Education&Culture-Minister there, but You are certainly aware of that. Indeed. But they key word is former Vox MP. It would be quite something if a sitting Vox member were invited to take an executive portfolio without having to leave the party first, but it may only be a matter of time until that happens and the party becomes further normalised. Yes. And given the Spanish mentality i am not even sure, that PP will be able to keep the UpperHand. (Certainly within a coalition, but electorally?)
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Post by andrea on May 16, 2021 16:39:37 GMT
Intetesting points - it's not the only one, though. Stockholm has been more likely to vote for the centre right than many other places in Sweden. Rome has a right wing tradition too. andrea will know far better but I've seen two reasons given for this in the past: 1. Since Unification, and definitely since 1945, the overwhelming majority of migrants to Rome have been from Sicily and Sardinia and various points south, which are very conservative and sometimes fascist. By contrast, the likes of Milan, Genoa and Turin attracted migrants from all over, including the northern countryside, which in parts has a very left-wing tradition. Giorgia Meloni is from Rome and is half Sardinian, half Sicilian! You also got fascists from elsewhere in Italy fleeing there after the war to start again somewhere where they were less well-known (this is also why Antwerp has a heavy far-right presence). 2. Added onto this proletarian Right is "la Roma che conta" (the Rome that matters), the remnants of the old aristocracy and court who still linger and hold a lot of social power. Plus the religious aspect. All in all, you've got right-wing power networks that date back centuries. It's an interesting theory anyway! I am quite behind. Elections and work commitment made me forgot about replying to this. Rome traditionally had an higher than average fascist presence. So MSI often polled twice (sometimes even more) the national average. PCI polled roughly the same as it used to do nationally. Basically Rome was less centrist. As DC was less strong than elsewhere, PCI got the mayor position in the 70s and 80s.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 14, 2022 14:37:16 GMT
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Post by therealriga on Feb 14, 2022 16:49:47 GMT
With 41 seats needed for a majority and PP 31 PSOE 28 Vox 13 Cs 1 UP 1 Regionalists 7 It's tricky to see what else the PP can do if Vox reject a confidence and supply arrangement. A grand coalition looks even less likely and the combined regionalists and Cs still leave them 2 seats short.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 16, 2022 17:14:09 GMT
Pollsters' perFormances in Castilia&Leon: "MetroScopia" did best by having a deViation of less than 1% per polled party.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 17, 2022 20:34:07 GMT
I've just reappeared from a trip to Madrid. The election was on seemingly every channel last Sunday.
Some points to note: - Ciudadanos didn't know they'd been kicked out of the government until they saw the PP announce the snap election on TV! - Unidos Podemos brought a load of "big guns" over from Madrid. Unfortunately the electorate didn't appear to like them much. - the overwhelming themes of the election appeared to be a) treating it as a referendum on Sanchez and b) the meat industry. Every single bloody article or interview appeared to revolve around the latter. - it's rumoured that Sanchez is prepared to unofficially tolerate a PP-only administration and not present a PSOE-led alternative.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 17, 2022 22:48:08 GMT
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Post by ilerda on Apr 25, 2022 16:03:22 GMT
Early Andalusian elections will apparently be held on the 19th June.
Most of the scattered left will be running together as a coalition called Por Andalucía, but previous speculation has suggested they will form separate parliamentary groups after the election. Parties included are: Podemos, Izquierda Unida, Equo, Alianza Verde, Iniciative del Pueblo Andalus, and Más País. Notably it doesn't include the Adelante Andalucía party formed by former Adelante Andalucía/Podemos coalition leader Teresa Rodríguez.
I do find this splitting and coalescing based on ego and personality quite amusing. Spain seems to be moving in the direction of Italy and even France in that regard.
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Post by WJ on Apr 26, 2022 19:06:47 GMT
They have a populist-nationalist right- Vox. They're no Golden Dawn, but some of their policies come from a far-right playbook. Such as publicly calling for a reconquista to expel muslims from the country. They also want to massively centralise the Spanish state, by removing local automomies etc. From a Spanish perspective, this is absolutely Francist far-right behaviour.
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Post by therealriga on Apr 26, 2022 20:56:07 GMT
Look, if the far right are scum, surely by definiton, the far left are scum? And if you win a general election, surely by defintion, you are centrist? Have you researched your family tree much? There's definitely a Latvian ancestor in there somewhere.
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Post by neilm on May 2, 2022 14:27:54 GMT
They have a populist-nationalist right- Vox. They're no Golden Dawn, but some of their policies come from a far-right playbook. Such as publicly calling for a reconquista to expel muslims from the country. They also want to massively centralise the Spanish state, by removing local automomies etc. From a Spanish perspective, this is absolutely Francist far-right behaviour. It's interesting that an awful lot of Spaniards overlook the 'control everything from Madrid' position taken by Vox.
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Post by observer on Jun 2, 2022 21:26:27 GMT
Interesting opinion poll out today (2 June) for the Andalucian regional elections on 19 June. I can only find actual figures for Granada county, although unspecific reporting suggests it will be fairly typical of Andalucia as a whole. PP 34.4% (up 11.3% since the last elections in 2018) PSOE 25.7% (down 1.2%) Vox 15.3% (up 3.9%) Ciudadanos 5.6% (down 12.8%) Por Andalucia ..basically Podemos..9.5% (down 5.6%) If Granada is typical and if the poll is correct, the PP will probably get about 48 seats in Andalucia compared to about 35 seats for PSOE and about 19 for Vox. 55 seats are needed for a majority
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 2, 2022 21:44:13 GMT
Interesting opinion poll out today (2 June) for the Andalucian regional elections on 19 June. I can only find actual figures for Granada county, although unspecific reporting suggests it will be fairly typical of Andalucia as a whole. PP 34.4% (up 11.3% since the last elections in 2018) PSOE 25.7% (down 1.2%) Vox 15.3% (up 3.9%) Ciudadanos 5.6% (down 12.8%) Por Andalucia ..basically Podemos..9.5% (down 5.6%) If Granada is typical and if the poll is correct, the PP will probably get about 48 seats in Andalucia compared to about 35 seats for PSOE and about 19 for Vox. 55 seats are needed for a majority Are the last figures for Granada county - which is the most conservative part of Andalusia?
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Post by observer on Jun 2, 2022 21:50:55 GMT
Interesting opinion poll out today (2 June) for the Andalucian regional elections on 19 June. I can only find actual figures for Granada county, although unspecific reporting suggests it will be fairly typical of Andalucia as a whole. PP 34.4% (up 11.3% since the last elections in 2018) PSOE 25.7% (down 1.2%) Vox 15.3% (up 3.9%) Ciudadanos 5.6% (down 12.8%) Por Andalucia ..basically Podemos..9.5% (down 5.6%) If Granada is typical and if the poll is correct, the PP will probably get about 48 seats in Andalucia compared to about 35 seats for PSOE and about 19 for Vox. 55 seats are needed for a majority Are the last figures for Granada county - which is the most conservative part of Andalusia? The percentage figures are for Granada county but reporting I have seen elsewhere suggests that a similar pattern will emerge across Andalucia as a whole. Difficult really to describe Granada county as traditionally conservative. Granada city is. But it is surrounded by a large, rural hinterland that traditionally votes PSOE. Granada county, which includes Granada city, was won by PSOE in the last elections in 2018
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Post by maxque on Jun 2, 2022 22:53:56 GMT
In 2018, results in Granada compared to the regionwide result:
PSOE -1.0 PP +2.3 C +0.1 AA -1.1 Vox +0.4
In any case, the most conservative part of Andalusia is clearly Almeria.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 3, 2022 0:37:52 GMT
Granada has indeed been among the least left provinces in (V)andalusia. DeViations from national average of Left-vs.-Right (n.b. only including parties with seats in the national parliament): ...and it has indeed been caused - apart from the densily settled coast - a lot by the capital itself. Regional election 2018:
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Post by observer on Jun 3, 2022 7:25:48 GMT
Granada has indeed been among the least left provinces in (V)andalusia. DeViations from national average of Left-vs.-Right (n.b. only including parties with seats in the national parliament): ...and it has indeed been caused - apart from the densily settled coast - a lot by the capital itself. Regional election 2018: Fascinating. There's a lot of old money in Granada city
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Post by observer on Jun 3, 2022 14:01:31 GMT
Just been on a drive through Granada city and Granada county. It's all very low key. In rural Granada I saw a few PSOE posters on lampposts and one for Por Andalusia. In Granada city I saw 2 Vox posters on lampposts. Nothing at all from PP. Neither have I had any leaflets through my door.
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Post by observer on Jun 19, 2022 12:51:20 GMT
Turnout in Andalusian regional election 34% at 2pm... that's up 4% on 2pm 2018. I don't know if the students have got out of bed yet
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