Lewisham East

[yellowperil]

Is not being twitchy the same thing as complacency?

[The Bishop]

Interpreting a visit from Corbyn as a sign of being rattled is far from a given either. Might it actually show confidence?

(he was deliberately kept away from Copeland, remember)

[Deleted]

ACCESS TO THE LAW FOR ALL

@charlesecarey

It is very fortunate that Heidi Alexander chose the present time for the calling of this by-election, because it gives me an opportunity, for which I am very grateful, to raise a very important, but long ignored, issue. And it gives the electorate an opportunity to help put things right by voting for me.

The Statute Law Database has been staggering and languishing almost since its very inception in 1967.

The aim of my campaign is to raise public awareness of this situation, increase public understanding of why it matters and increase determination to have it put right.

The Statute Law Database is an official database of the text of parliament-made law (Acts of Parliament). It is an official database of the parliament-made law which is in force or is set to come into force. It is freely available to the public at legislation.gov.uk. Importantly, it is the record of law which is currently binding on the public; first as originally enacted, and thereafter as amended from time to time.

However, unfortunately, the database has not been kept wholly up- to-date; this means that what the official website tells you is current binding law, is not, in fact, necessarily, current binding law.

The site itself admits this: in its Frequently Asked Questions section it says,
Q. How up to date is the revised content on this website?
A. All legislation held on legislation.gov.uk in revised form has been updated with effects of legislation made up to 2002 (except for some effects of 2002 legislation that were not yet in force at the end of 2002). About half of all items of legislation are also up-to-date to the present. For the remainder there are still effects outstanding for at least one of the years 2003 to the current year.

So, it is up-to-date for 2002 - it is now 2018 - and only about half of the legislation is up-to-date to the present day, therefore the other half is not up-to-date to the present day.

It is democratically necessary that the public should be able to know the laws by which it is bound.

There are commercial ways of accessing the up-to-date legislation, of course; but it ought to be free.

This important issue (getting all statutory text fully up to date) has been sidelined for years, but millions of pounds of tax payer's money have been spent on it. It should have been put right years ago. Let’s put it right now. With the help of your vote this could be done.

Thank you.

This statement was added by Charles Edward Carey, their team, or by a Democracy Club volunteer, based on information published by the candidate elsewhere.

[andrew111]

Jun 8, 2018 9:49:16 GMT The Bishop said:

Interpreting a visit from Corbyn as a sign of being rattled is far from a given either. Might it actually show confidence?

(he was deliberately kept away from Copeland, remember)

Well, that was because he was against nuclear power in particular, wasn't it? And also was seen as a political liability by most people, which turned out not to be the case?

I watched the C4 news clip about Lewisham East. The Tory candidate was distinctly unimpressive compared to Janet Daby and Lucy Salek, but it did seem wise of Labour to keep  Janet away from questions about the Single Market as much as possible. The Green seemed like a nice person... The WEP are very much up in arms that they did not get an interview (I suspect they might do quite well actually, possibly saving their deposit if local people feel the result is a foregone conclusion)

Rumour has it that neither the Tories nor Labour are attending a hustings next Tuesday (already delayed to try and accommodate them). Now that I definitely disapprove of., if it is true..

[andrew111]

Jun 8, 2018 11:15:55 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

ACCESS TO THE LAW FOR ALL

@charlesecarey

It is very fortunate that Heidi Alexander chose the present time for the calling of this by-election, because it gives me an opportunity, for which I am very grateful, to raise a very important, but long ignored, issue. And it gives the electorate an opportunity to help put things right by voting for me.

The Statute Law Database has been staggering and languishing almost since its very inception in 1967.

The aim of my campaign is to raise public awareness of this situation, increase public understanding of why it matters and increase determination to have it put right.

The Statute Law Database is an official database of the text of parliament-made law (Acts of Parliament). It is an official database of the parliament-made law which is in force or is set to come into force. It is freely available to the public at legislation.gov.uk. Importantly, it is the record of law which is currently binding on the public; first as originally enacted, and thereafter as amended from time to time.

However, unfortunately, the database has not been kept wholly up- to-date; this means that what the official website tells you is current binding law, is not, in fact, necessarily, current binding law.

The site itself admits this: in its Frequently Asked Questions section it says,
Q. How up to date is the revised content on this website?
A. All legislation held on legislation.gov.uk in revised form has been updated with effects of legislation made up to 2002 (except for some effects of 2002 legislation that were not yet in force at the end of 2002). About half of all items of legislation are also up-to-date to the present. For the remainder there are still effects outstanding for at least one of the years 2003 to the current year.

So, it is up-to-date for 2002 - it is now 2018 - and only about half of the legislation is up-to-date to the present day, therefore the other half is not up-to-date to the present day.

It is democratically necessary that the public should be able to know the laws by which it is bound.

There are commercial ways of accessing the up-to-date legislation, of course; but it ought to be free.

This important issue (getting all statutory text fully up to date) has been sidelined for years, but millions of pounds of tax payer's money have been spent on it. It should have been put right years ago. Let’s put it right now. With the help of your vote this could be done.

Thank you.

This statement was added by Charles Edward Carey, their team, or by a Democracy Club volunteer, based on information published by the candidate elsewhere.

He definitely has a point....

[Andrew_S]

Morrissey endorses Anne Marie Waters and defends Tommy Robinson.

www.theweek.co.uk/94132/morrissey-defends-tommy-robinson-and-new-far-right-party

[Chris from Brum]

Jun 8, 2018 15:37:21 GMT Andrew_S said:

Morrissey endorses Anne Marie Waters and defends Tommy Robinson.

www.theweek.co.uk/94132/morrissey-defends-tommy-robinson-and-new-far-right-party

He really is a piece of human waste, isn't he?

[Deleted]

Jun 8, 2018 15:42:10 GMT Chris from Brum said:

Jun 8, 2018 15:37:21 GMT Andrew_S said:

Morrissey endorses Anne Marie Waters and defends Tommy Robinson.

www.theweek.co.uk/94132/morrissey-defends-tommy-robinson-and-new-far-right-party

He really is a piece of human waste, isn't he?

It's put much of what I listened to as a moapy 90s indie kid into focus....

[justin124]

Jun 8, 2018 13:10:58 GMT andrew111 said:

Jun 8, 2018 9:49:16 GMT The Bishop said:

Interpreting a visit from Corbyn as a sign of being rattled is far from a given either. Might it actually show confidence?

(he was deliberately kept away from Copeland, remember)

Well, that was because he was against nuclear power in particular, wasn't it? And also was seen as a political liability by most people, which turned out not to be the case?

I watched the C4 news clip about Lewisham East. The Tory candidate was distinctly unimpressive compared to Janet Daby and Lucy Salek, but it did seem wise of Labour to keep  Janet away from questions about the Single Market as much as possible. The Green seemed like a nice person... The WEP are very much up in arms that they did not get an interview (I suspect they might do quite well actually, possibly saving their deposit if local people feel the result is a foregone conclusion)

Rumour has it that neither the Tories nor Labour are attending a hustings next Tuesday (already delayed to try and accommodate them). Now that I definitely disapprove of., if it is true..

I don't think there is an obligation for candidates to attend Hustings events arranged by others. However, should they decide to stay away they ought to make themselves available to the public by holding their own election meetings. It was formerly very much the norm for candidates to organise their own public meetings at election time , but this appears to have drifted in recent years to Hustings events. Having attended some of the latter , I am not persuaded they represent an improvement in that questions are submitted in advance to be asked of all the candidates present.On the whole, in my experience meetings held by the parties themselves provide more direct contact between electors and candidates.

[AdminSTB]

Jun 8, 2018 13:10:58 GMT andrew111 said:

The WEP are very much up in arms that they did not get an interview (I suspect they might do quite well actually, possibly saving their deposit if local people feel the result is a foregone conclusion)

Nah, can't see it.

I was going to go down again tomorrow, but my other half isn't well, so I'll just do some more phone canvassing but my impression is that the WEP is barely even mentioned.

[Andrew_S]

Jun 8, 2018 13:10:58 GMT andrew111 said:

Jun 8, 2018 9:49:16 GMT The Bishop said:

Interpreting a visit from Corbyn as a sign of being rattled is far from a given either. Might it actually show confidence?

(he was deliberately kept away from Copeland, remember)

Well, that was because he was against nuclear power in particular, wasn't it? And also was seen as a political liability by most people, which turned out not to be the case?

I watched the C4 news clip about Lewisham East. The Tory candidate was distinctly unimpressive compared to Janet Daby and Lucy Salek, but it did seem wise of Labour to keep  Janet away from questions about the Single Market as much as possible. The Green seemed like a nice person... The WEP are very much up in arms that they did not get an interview (I suspect they might do quite well actually, possibly saving their deposit if local people feel the result is a foregone conclusion)

Rumour has it that neither the Tories nor Labour are attending a hustings next Tuesday (already delayed to try and accommodate them). Now that I definitely disapprove of., if it is true..

Channel 4 news report:

www.channel4.com/news/lewisham-by-election-the-view-from-the-doorstep

[andrew111]

Jun 8, 2018 19:10:24 GMT justin124 said:

Jun 8, 2018 13:10:58 GMT andrew111 said:

Well, that was because he was against nuclear power in particular, wasn't it? And also was seen as a political liability by most people, which turned out not to be the case?

I watched the C4 news clip about Lewisham East. The Tory candidate was distinctly unimpressive compared to Janet Daby and Lucy Salek, but it did seem wise of Labour to keep  Janet away from questions about the Single Market as much as possible. The Green seemed like a nice person... The WEP are very much up in arms that they did not get an interview (I suspect they might do quite well actually, possibly saving their deposit if local people feel the result is a foregone conclusion)

Rumour has it that neither the Tories nor Labour are attending a hustings next Tuesday (already delayed to try and accommodate them). Now that I definitely disapprove of., if it is true..

I don't think there is an obligation for candidates to attend Hustings events arranged by others. However, should they decide to stay away they ought to make themselves available to the public by holding their own election meetings. It was formerly very much the norm for candidates to organise their own public meetings at election time , but this appears to have drifted in recent years to Hustings events. Having attended some of the latter , I am not persuaded they represent an improvement in that questions are submitted in advance to be asked of all the candidates present.On the whole, in my experience meetings held by the parties themselves provide more direct contact between electors and candidates.

Of course there is no obligation on a candidate to attend any event.

Irrespective of the candidate, I merely conclude that they do not wish to answer questions from the public... That is also their right. Members of the public have the right to ask "Why?". (and refusing to debate with right wing candidates is a pathetic excuse!)

[beesknee5]

[Harry Hayfield]

Jun 11, 2018 16:15:24 GMT beesknee5 said:

Which at a cursory glance is a 20% swing from Lab to Lib Dem, which therefore poses the question "Where was this Lab to Lib Dem swing in the local elections?"

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Is invention a misspelling or intentional

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Jun 11, 2018 16:15:24 GMT beesknee5 said:

These figures appear to be Lib Dem canvassing returns, not an opinion poll.

[Sibboleth]

I remember how incredibly accurate projections based on canvassing returns were at Oldham West & Royton.

[Deleted]

How do canvassing returns give you an idea of other parties performance. I've often found its a good way of identifying your own vote but not other parties votes

[andrew111]

Jun 11, 2018 17:14:03 GMT @priceofdawn said:

How do canvassing returns give you an idea of other parties performance. I've often found its a good way of identifying your own vote but not other parties votes

Quite a lot of people do tell you who they are voting for. Then you allocate everyone who will not tell you in those proportions to other parties.. If you also allocate half the people who say "probably" to someone else you are usually not too far off...

[andrew111]

Jun 11, 2018 17:00:42 GMT Sibboleth said:

I remember how incredibly accurate projections based on canvassing returns were at Oldham West & Royton.

That was UKIP though..

I believe the Lib Dem predictions were pretty much spot on in Richmond Park...