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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 27, 2013 21:20:53 GMT
May I ask where you got those results by region, Sibboleth? I know Paul Maggs of the Election Game is looking for the regional percentages.
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 27, 2013 22:49:07 GMT
The good results for Yesh Atid, Labour and Hatnuah in the Golan are interesting, certainly in contrast to the West Bank (though noticeably, and unsurprisingly, Jewish Home did very well in both). Are the settlers in the Golan less militant/is it seen as a more legitimate plece to go to live by the Israeli mainstream as it's not part of the proposed Palestinian State and can instead be seen as a more 'legitimate' spoil of war?
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 28, 2013 1:47:34 GMT
The good results for Yesh Atid, Labour and Hatnuah in the Golan are interesting, certainly in contrast to the West Bank (though noticeably, and unsurprisingly, Jewish Home did very well in both). Are the settlers in the Golan less militant/is it seen as a more legitimate plece to go to live by the Israeli mainstream as it's not part of the proposed Palestinian State and can instead be seen as a more 'legitimate' spoil of war? Kibbutzim and (to a lesser extent) moshavim, basically. Unlike the West Bank you don't really have much in the way of large settlements (and no really huge ones). |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 3, 2013 23:19:35 GMT
 Results by municipality in the Tel Aviv District. |
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 3, 2013 14:41:56 GMT
Benjamin Netanyahu has been given two more weeks to form a new government, following January's inconclusive elections.
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 14, 2013 11:15:39 GMT
Coalition formed consisting of Likud Yisrael Beitenu, Yesh Atid and Jewish Home. Shas and United Torah Judaism kicked out of Government.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 30, 2018 20:48:49 GMT
Let us recycle this thread for today's LocalElections!
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Post by markgoodair on Dec 24, 2018 15:16:57 GMT
The coalition has broken up over the issue of the ultra orthodox serving in the military. Early elections have been called for April 9th.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 27, 2018 14:08:20 GMT
Benny Gantz has finally registered his new centrist party for the upcoming elections. It’s to be called “Hosen L’Yisrael” which means “Resilience for Israel”. Its filing shows the typical esoteric programme “the ongoing foundation and strengthening of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state in the light of the Zionist dream as expressed in the Declaration of Independence, and through the establishment and redefinition of national priorities in the following areas: education, national infrastructure development, agriculture, law, internal security, social welfare, peace and security.”
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Post by markgoodair on Dec 30, 2018 6:53:13 GMT
Education minister Naftali Bennett and Justice minister Ayelet Shaked have left Jewish Home to form a new party called New Right.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 31, 2018 10:06:21 GMT
So five new polls came out yesterday for the elections and all show a fractured Knesset, even more so than usual. Being Israeli polls they're vastly different in many respects. The KAN one is the only one to show Yisrael Beitenu leaving the Knesset for instance, and two of them show Jewish Home leaving the Knesset too. Though there are also some similarities as four of the five show Likud losing seats, one of them shows them losing 5 seats, and the fifth shows them staying on 30. The other main similarity is the continuing poor performance of the Zionist Union, all polls show them losing more than half their current 24 seats. As an illustration one typical poll, the one from the public broadcaster KAN, shows the following:
Likud on 27 down from 30,
The Zionist Union, would be on 9 down from 24,
The Arab Joint List would be on 12 down from 13,
Yesh Atid would be on 16 up from 11,
Kulanu would be on 7 down from 10,
Jewish Home would be fail to meet the threshold and lose all 8 seats,
New Right Party (Bennet and Shaked) win 14 seats,
Yisrael Beitenu would also be eliminated from the Knesset down from 6,
Shas would hover uncomfortably close to the line and win 4 down from 7,
United Torah Judaism would win 7 up one,
Meretz would get 6 up one,
Resilience Party (Gantz) would get 13 seats and
Gesher, this is Orly Levy-Abekasis’s new right leaning outfit, it means “Bridge” and it was also the name of her father’s party, would get 5 seats.
If my crappy quick maths are correct, the above shows six right wing parties getting 66 seats in the next Knesset, 61 are needed for a majority, and it’ll be eight parties if Jewish Home and Yisrael Beitenu get in. The next Netanyahu national camp coalition, if that’s what’s elected, will be unstable indeed, and that’s not even taking into account any indictment for Netanyahu.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 31, 2018 10:13:57 GMT
So many choices, none of them good. See also: the Netherlands.
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 31, 2018 12:44:06 GMT
Largely a selection of unpleasant right wing parties for what is now a very questionable state in terms of its policies and actions. Can't really understand why so many varieties of the same thing are required.
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 31, 2018 14:17:47 GMT
What I find remarkable is how quickly and completely the once powerful left parties have collapsed.  I am aware of Likud and Labour and the fact that there are a couple of parties for the headbangers with big hats and long coats that clog up airport gateways, and I assume an Arab party? Would one of you in the know as to the present state care to give us an annotated list of what each group really stands for and against? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 14:33:14 GMT
What I find remarkable is how quickly and completely the once powerful left parties have collapsed. like in the rest of Europe |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 31, 2018 16:17:29 GMT
It would certainly be very difficult to see the current Israeli Labor party and its allies as in any way on the left.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 17:07:06 GMT
like in the rest of Europe Hmmm I would disagree though, although not currently in power in parts of Europe the left and right seem to be moving along as part of the natural cycle of mature liberal democracies...and in the U.K. and others it is likely that soon the left will take power again, naturally as part of that cycle. The decline of the left in Israel seems to have taken place over decades and resulted in an almost complete evaporation of any opposition to a centre-right to right view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. the UK is a very unique example I can't think of another country in europe where the left are poised to take power. I agree though the left in israel collapse has been a steady decline pre the crisis in capitalism unlike the rapid demise of SocDems in europe since the financial crisis |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 31, 2018 18:09:53 GMT
What I find remarkable is how quickly and completely the once powerful left parties have collapsed. I am aware of Likud and Labour and the fact that there are a couple of parties for the headbangers with big hats and long coats that clog up airport gateways, and I assume an Arab party? Would one of you in the know as to the present state care to give us an annotated list of what each group really stands for and against? is the mainstream centre right party in Israel but under Netanyahu it’s become increasingly populist, parochial and Trump like, long gone are the comparably liberal days of Begin. It’s also our sister party in the International Democrat Union. The Zionist Union is an alliance of Labour and Hatnuah, both are centre left and represent the mainstream dovish camp. As @jamieredhead mentioned though they’ve utterly collapsed. The Arab Joint List is an odd amalgam of Arab nationalist parties and Hadash, which is basically the Communist party. It’s led by Ayman Odeh of Hadash who is quite liberal and seemingly is trying to turn the list into a kind of ANC of Israel, particularly targeting Mizrahi Jews who come from countries like Iraq and Syria. It does however have some odious people in it, the kind of Jew baiting Hamas supporting Islamists who’ve utterly scuppered Odeh’s efforts. It doesn’t really matter much if Odeh gives a speech talking about discrimination against Mizrahi Jews if someone from another Arab party then gives an antisemitic speech calling for Israel’s destruction. Yesh Atid is a middle class orientated centrist party that is focussed on cost of living issues, getting the ultra Orthodox to participate in the military, socially liberal issues such as getting non Orthodox forms of Judaism officially recognised and legalising marriage equality. On the peace front it supports a two state solution and halting settlement construction but its messaging is security orientated to avoid being portrayed as irresponsible by Likud. Kulanu is similar to the above but it’s led by Moshe Kahlon a former member of the Knesset for Likud and is currently In Netanyahu’s coalition. Jewish Home is an Modern Orthodox religious party and supports the settlements and settlers. Bennet, more below, wants to annex Area C of the West Bank, which is most of it, and wants to give Palestinians full citizenship rights and equal status in the Jewish State. I’m not sure how a greater Israel could remain Jewish and democratic though as it would be majority Muslim under those circumstances. Bennet has since left Jewish Home to found the New Right Party which is marketing itself as friendly to secular Jews as well as the religious ones. Overall though it’s policies remain the same and it seems to be trying to outflank Likud. Yisrael Beitenu ostensibly is a supporter of Russian speaking Jews. It’s a right wing nationalist party but secular and is basically the personal vehicle for Avigdor Lieberman. United Torah Judaism is the Ashkenazi ultra Orthodox party and Shas is the Sephardic and Mizrahi ultra Orthodox party. Both have right wing social views but more centre left economic views. Hosen is the new centrist party founded by former IDF chief of staff General Benny Gantz. It’s a centrist party that was founded four days ago so its widespread platform other than some esoteric slogans about Zionism aren’t really known. It’s probably going to try to be a new Kadima, tough but pro peace, though I’d have suspected. Meretz is a very left wing party centred around Tel Aviv. It’s feminist, pro LGBT, supports a two state solution, is secular and is basically a Green Party in many respects. It’s the closest thing in Israel to Corbyn’s Labour but faces discrimination from inside and outside Israel. Inside Israel it’s bizarrely portrayed by the right as a dangerous subversive group who’d sellout the IDF and Israel to Hamas. Outside Israel it faces discrimination from “anti Zionist’ left wing parties and people who shun it for being Israeli and supporting an Israel basically, the Scottish Greens are a primary example of this. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 31, 2018 18:47:27 GMT
UAL is a (very) conservative and Islamist party rather than a nationalist one as such and was usually the largest of the Arab parties when they ran separately. Particularly popular with Bedouins. And Likud has never been a normal centre-right party: amongst other things it has never been explicitly anti-socialist.
Anyway, the key thing to understand is that most Israeli parties are not particularly ideological these days: instead you have various personalist outfits whose electoral ceilings and floors are determined by ethnic and confessional factors. This o/c is a huge shift from how things used to be, but a common one in both the wider Middle East and the various 'postsocialist' parts of the world and is why party support is so absurdly volatile. Still, there are loose electoral camps of sorts. With months to go don't expect the actual results to resemble all that closely present polling...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 20:02:48 GMT
the UK is a very unique example I can't think of another country in europe where the left are poised to take power. I agree though the left in israel collapse has been a steady decline pre the crisis in capitalism unlike the rapid demise of SocDems in europe since the financial crisis Hmm I think the left in Europe is simply in a process of renewal after the economic crisis. In terms of Israel my only theory would be with the advent of the 2nd uprising in 2001 the Israeli left has been catastrophically linked to that or that has killed any left of centre view of the peace process from the Israeli electorate. i dont want to digress but renewal would suggest these parties wouldn't be sitting below 20% |
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