Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Dec 14, 2012 21:49:09 GMT
Lieberman resigns as Foreign minister. What a crying shame  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 10:22:17 GMT
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 5, 2013 17:20:37 GMT
The sentiment is admirable, but he's on questionable ground factually: it's unlikely that the new Knesset will be much to the right of the current one. It will certainly look very different, though.
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Post by erlend on Jan 5, 2013 17:30:51 GMT
A lot of the problems for Israeli politics is not how (traditionally) right wing the Knesset is. As I see it there is a clear secular majority in Israeli society. But none of the secular parties can get a majority without caving in to the religious parties.
Bluntly a society that insists on defending settlements in Judea/Samaria should not give massive exemptions from military service to those demanding that. But the Orthfanatics get exactly that. I suspect that if it was their kids getting shot they would be more careful.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 5, 2013 17:33:53 GMT
Brief explanation as to why: Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu (Lieberman's party) have effectively merged, while Kadima has collapsed. Likud Beiteinu have lost Likud voters to JH-NU because of the Lieberman scandals. Kadima's voters have headed in three different directions; some to Hatnuah (Livni's party), some to Yesh Atid (Yair Lapid's party; the second coming of Shinui, except not really), and some to Labor.
Of course things are actually significantly more complicated than that. And things will presumably change again during the rest of the campaign.
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Post by markgoodair on Jan 15, 2013 10:20:03 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 15, 2013 10:27:55 GMT
I was pretty close to Likud
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 15, 2013 10:32:29 GMT
I came up evenly placed between Labor, Ta'al, Balad and Meretz.
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 15, 2013 14:48:30 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 15, 2013 14:58:50 GMT
I came out somewhere between Hatnuah and Taal, which was something of a surprise, because I thought Israeli Labour's economic policy was much less left-wing than the quiz suggests. Either way, I'm pretty sure I'd still be backing Labour.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 15, 2013 15:03:10 GMT
I found it a bit confusing because what we would think of as the left-rioght access actually displays as influencing the vertical access on this compass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 18:54:44 GMT
I'm right in the middle of Meretz, Balad and Hadash, which is hardly surprising. Though from going through positions of each party on a question-by-question basis, I probably gave the 'wrong' answer to a few of the questions as a result of not properly understanding what was being proposed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2013 21:35:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 17:49:59 GMT
It's perhaps surprising that former prime minister Ariel Sharon is still alive. He's been in a coma for seven years now.
God forbid it should ever need to be used, but it begs the question, do we in the UK have a mechanism for replacing a Prime Minister who has been incapacitated in the way Mr Sharon was?
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Post by greatkingrat on Jan 21, 2013 18:24:37 GMT
That is the advantage of having an unwritten constitution, we can decide the best way to handle such situations when they occur rather than having to follow a rigid rule. Ultimately, the PM is appointed at Her Majesty's pleasure, so if it was clear they would be unable to continue, she could appoint an alternative Prime Minister who could command a majority in Parliament.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 21, 2013 18:27:00 GMT
Israel doesn't have a written constitution either.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 21, 2013 19:17:15 GMT
Brief summary of the polling situation - note that there are no polls in the last few days of a campaign:
Likud Beiteinu: polling between 32 and 38 seats with most polls at the lower end. An electoral alliance of Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu; combined they won 42 seats in 2009.
Labor: polling between 15 and 18 seats with most polls at the higher end. Won 13 seats in 2009 and were down to 8 at the end of the last Knesset due to a party split and other defections.
JH-NU: polling between 12 and 15 seats with almost all polls saying 14. Combined total last time was 7 seats, but down to 5 at the end of the last Knesset due to the more extreme members of NU leaving.
Yesh Atid: polling between 8 and 13 seats with most polls in the middle of that. Party did not exist in 2009.
Shas: polling between 9 and 12 seats with most polls in the middle of that. Won 11 seats (now 10) in 2009.
Hatnuah: polling between 5 and 9 seats with most polls at the higher end of that. Did not exist in 2009, but has 7 seats in the outgoing Knesset (as befits a party created via defections).
Meretz: polling between 4 and 7 seats with most polls at the higher end. Won 3 seats in 2009.
UTJ: polling either 5 or 6 seats. Won 5 in 2009.
Hadash: polling between 3 and 5 seats with most polls saying 4. Won 4 seats in 2009.
UAL-Ta'al: polling between 3 and 4 seats with most polls saying 4. Won 4 in 2009.
Balad: polling between 3 and 5 seats with most saying 3. Won 3 in 2009.
Kadima: polling either 2 or 3 seats. Won 28 seats in 2009, reduced to 21 via defections.
Strong Israel: polling between 0 and 3 seats with most polls saying 2. The aforementioned more extreme members of NU, so didn't exist in 2009, but has two MKs.
Am Shalem: polling between 0 and 3 seats. Didn't exist in 2009: the party is basically an MK who got kicked out of Shas.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 21, 2013 21:51:12 GMT
It's perhaps surprising that former prime minister Ariel Sharon is still alive. He's been in a coma for seven years now. God forbid it should ever need to be used, but it begs the question, do we in the UK have a mechanism for replacing a Prime Minister who has been incapacitated in the way Mr Sharon was? Yes - it's all in the reserved powers of the monarch. When Harold Holt went swimming in Australia in 1967, the Governor General formally retracted Holt's commission a couple of days later even though Holt had not been officially declared dead at that stage. Most of the conventions for the reserved powers where exported from the UK and convention flows both ways. A more controversial case might have happened here in 1953 when Churchill suffered a stroke and Eden was abroad, recovering from a botched operation. Had Churchill's situation been even worse it's entirely possible that the Queen could have found herself being advised differently from different quarters about whether or not Churchill could carry on and who should be appointed in his place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 10:30:03 GMT
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 22, 2013 13:11:36 GMT
Turnout is pretty clearly up on 2009.
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