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Post by yellowperil on Sept 18, 2019 18:09:24 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states.
How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 18, 2019 18:34:34 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states. How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 18, 2019 18:43:40 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states. How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. The comment was less about the politics being fractious, more the reports that Bibi might simply ignore the GE result. |
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Post by maxque on Sept 18, 2019 18:55:49 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states. How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. "Fair", despite various attempts by Likud to block their opponents from voting. |
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Post by yamor on Sept 18, 2019 19:52:25 GMT
It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. The comment was less about the politics being fractious, more the reports that Bibi might simply ignore the GE result. Whoever said he would simply ignore the results probably meant that he would stick to his guns and not resign until he absolutely has to. That is, he'll ignore political pressure to quit. There is zero chance he would be able to actually do something illegal to stay in power. |
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Post by yamor on Sept 18, 2019 19:55:21 GMT
Reports from the Central Election Committee (but not yet on the results page) that Likud and B&W are both up one, with Liberman and The Joint List each down one. Apparently, these are final results before the double-envelope votes (soldiers/hospitals/prisoners etc).
This gives the right one extra seat. Not that that would help much.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 18, 2019 20:15:47 GMT
It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. The comment was less about the politics being fractious, more the reports that Bibi might simply ignore the GE result. He can't. Besides right now Gantz leads the largest party, so it's speculated President Rivlin might ask him first. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 18, 2019 20:19:00 GMT
It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. "Fair", despite various attempts by Likud to block their opponents from voting. The camera law was immediately thrown out, by the attorney general! So fair it was. Despite the ridiculous and often xenophobic rhetoric Israel faces, Israel is a very free country, it has problems, but by the standards of Asia it's phenomenal. |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 18, 2019 20:20:10 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 18, 2019 21:15:06 GMT
It had fractious politics, always has. That doesn't mean it's any less off a "functioning" democracy. It's had two robust free and fair elections in five months. That's not an easy feat anywhere frankly. "Fair", despite various attempts by Likud to block their opponents from voting. Entirely unsuccessfully. Which tells us a much more interesting story. |
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Post by myth11 on Sept 18, 2019 21:26:58 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states. How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel Its a pr system so its working as intended . I also note the silence about the Tunisia president run off with anti gay/women rights Kais Saied vs Nabil Karoui who,s in jail for tax fraud. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 18, 2019 21:44:01 GMT
I still wonder whether we will still have a functioning democracy in Israel, but I would say the same about the USA, for sure, and probably the UK too.
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 18, 2019 21:58:27 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states. How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel Its a pr system so its working as intended . I also note the silence about the Tunisia president run off with anti gay/women rights Kais Saied vs Nabil Karoui who,s in jail for tax fraud. What is the connection or relevance? It's an entirely different country. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 18, 2019 22:07:07 GMT
Israel has always been able to claim that it is the one functioning democracy in a Middle East full of corruption, dictatorships and failed states. How much longer is that claim going to be able to stand up? This question asked by someone who has always considered himself a friend of Israel Its a pr system so its working as intended . I also note the silence about the Tunisia president run off with anti gay/women rights Kais Saied vs Nabil Karoui who,s in jail for tax fraud. We know why. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 18, 2019 22:22:35 GMT
Lack of interest in Tunisia, mostly. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 19, 2019 6:30:50 GMT
I still wonder whether we will still have a functioning democracy in Israel, but I would say the same about the USA, for sure, and probably the UK too. Just because people you don't like keep getting elected doesn't mean democracy is not functioning. |
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Post by yellowperil on Sept 19, 2019 6:45:34 GMT
I still wonder whether we will still have a functioning democracy in Israel, but I would say the same about the USA, for sure, and probably the UK too. Just because people you don't like keep getting elected doesn't mean democracy is not functioning. I don't think its a question of who is getting elected or not (In the case of Israel, maybe Bibi isn't) . Rather, it's a comment on the means used to achieve that, and to hang on to power thereafter. Was there a functioning democracy in Weimar Germany that finished up electing Hitler to power? |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 19, 2019 7:21:32 GMT
I still wonder whether we will still have a functioning democracy in Israel, but I would say the same about the USA, for sure, and probably the UK too. Just because people you don't like keep getting elected doesn't mean democracy is not functioning. Though in the USA Trump lost the popular vote, and the results of UK elections are not reflective of votes cast as your party constantly reminds us! Israel's electoral system is not helping with regard to forming viable governments. The Arab voters have voted in larger numbers this time but it's still way below their number in the population |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 19, 2019 7:45:35 GMT
Just because people you don't like keep getting elected doesn't mean democracy is not functioning. I don't think its a question of who is getting elected or not (In the case of Israel, maybe Bibi isn't) . Rather, it's a comment on the means used to achieve that, and to hang on to power thereafter. Was there a functioning democracy in Weimar Germany that finished up electing Hitler to power? So in your opinion democracy is not appearing to function unless the 'right' people get elected and the 'right' parties win? That is what your words convey. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 19, 2019 9:09:22 GMT
Its a pr system so its working as intended . I also note the silence about the Tunisia president run off with anti gay/women rights Kais Saied vs Nabil Karoui who,s in jail for tax fraud. We know why. Nothing stopping you - or others making this complaint - from contributing in the relevant thread. |
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