johng
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Post by johng on May 30, 2019 16:06:26 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 30, 2019 16:35:09 GMT
I remember reading that attendances at ballet, theatre and classical music all went up and stayed high in the years after the Russian Jews arrived. As most of the arrivals in the decades before them were North African peasants, demand had not been massively high.
Book sales also soared, admittedly mainly Russian ones.
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 31, 2019 0:13:23 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the exemption? Are Haredim pacifist or is it purely about it disturbing their study of the Torah? The really religious of them cannot even accept the existence of Israel. |
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 4, 2019 13:04:27 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 4, 2019 13:10:40 GMT
Since the government has just broken up over the issue of military service, I think that is vanishingly unlikely. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66000000000008px; height: 4.560000000000002px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_62135262" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="4.560000000000002"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66px; height: 4.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1613px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_40482843" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="4.560000000000002"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66px; height: 4.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 167px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_32172515" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="4.560000000000002"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66px; height: 4.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1613px; top: 167px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_1742982" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="4.560000000000002"></iframe> |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jun 14, 2019 17:34:23 GMT
Latest poll. Normal health warning obvs. Interesting thing is this would leave the Knesset deadlocked exactly where it is. 60-60. GroKo minus Bibi?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 6, 2019 14:02:59 GMT
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Jul 6, 2019 15:10:23 GMT
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 6, 2019 15:48:17 GMT
It was a good essay. I haven't seen the ISquared debate it references because I think a debate with Melanie Phillips vs Mehdi Hassan and Ilan Pape on Israel is just clickbait fireworks. As it concludes, the nuance was lost. I was struck by this: "The iconic Palestinian poet, Mahmoud Darwish, once said, Do you know why we Palestinians are famous? It’s because you are our enemy. Interest in the Palestinian question flows from interest in the Jewish question. Yes. People are interested in you, not me! The international interest in the Palestinian question merely reflects the interest people take in the Jewish question." I think that's fundamentally true and explains the disproportionate outrage against Israel. Personally, I think this debate isn't solved with people like Mehdi Hassan getting involved. It's a debate between Israelis and Palestinians initially and between diaspora Jews and Arabs more widely. For Christian Zionists and leftwing anti Zionists this is just a front in two different wars. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 7, 2019 15:07:43 GMT
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Jul 7, 2019 15:14:17 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 7, 2019 15:19:01 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. For once though the polls are consistently, as of now, in their favour. For example, the pro Netanyahu tabloid "Israel Hayom" in their latest poll had the opposition leading 64-56. You have to go back to the 7th June to find the National Camp leading. Though obvs everything could flip easily. |
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Post by maxque on Jul 8, 2019 4:42:23 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. It is surely more likely to be successful than to make it about the Barak's personal qualities. |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 8, 2019 9:28:59 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. This new party is actually a "left" party? |
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Post by Merseymike on Jul 8, 2019 13:20:29 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. This new party is actually a "left" party? Quite. Does such a thing exist? Even Meretz were found - perhaps naively - to be linking up with a right-wing adviser. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 13:24:22 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. This new party is actually a "left" party? It doesn't appear to identify as such, although obviously it is "left" to the extent that its votes will go in the not-Netanyahu bloc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2019 13:27:57 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. For once though the polls are consistently, as of now, in their favour. For example, the pro Netanyahu tabloid "Israel Hayom" in their latest poll had the opposition leading 64-56. You have to go back to the 7th June to find the National Camp leading. Though obvs everything could flip easily. This is true although the swing since the election is somewhat artificial as Yisrael Beitenu are now being counted in the opposition bloc. YB's Avigdor Lieberman has said he would only support a government of unity featuring both Likud and B&W (but not the Haredi parties). On the current numbers it's not impossible that no one will be able to form a government if Likud/B&W can't agree a deal. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 8, 2019 14:29:29 GMT
You know how there was that, quite lengthy, phase in American politics where even 'liberal' was a dirty word and politicians avoided using it? Since the collapse of the organised peace process nearly twenty years ago now something similar has happened to 'Left' in an Israeli context.
What we can say is that Barak is identifiably a 'Labor' politician and draws his support from that particular political genepool. A few years ago this meant he had no support, because no on in that genepool had any interest left in voting for him and very few people outside it would want to (because he's so clearly a part of it). But it seems a few years rest may have repaired his image somewhat.
Beyond that it gets very messy, especially as Left, Right and Centre don't mean the same thing as they do in the West, and not just because they relate to hawkish/doveish positions etc, although they do: it's also because Israel is a post-socialist society and so the fundamentals of even material, domestic politics are quite different.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 8, 2019 14:36:00 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. It would, in theory, be easier to finally bundle him offstage after a... I don't even know what the right word to use is here... a looser election? A less polarised one anyway, with correspondingly more fragmented results. No doubt there. But, you see, for the list that is seen to challenge him in a polarised poll there are substantial benefits, therefore... |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 8, 2019 15:10:14 GMT
Hmm. The Left has lost every election it's tried to make simply about Netanyahu. Not a winning tactic. It would, in theory, be easier to finally bundle him offstage after a... I don't even know what the right word to use is here... a looser election? A less polarised one anyway, with correspondingly more fragmented results. No doubt there. But, you see, for the list that is seen to challenge him in a polarised poll there are substantial benefits, therefore... Who, by the way, is likely to be in the running to succeed him as leader of Likud? |
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