Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on May 27, 2019 16:37:24 GMT
Political crisis ongoing that could lead to fresh elections.
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Post by Andrew_S on May 27, 2019 17:02:35 GMT
Political crisis ongoing that could lead to fresh elections. Means we can add Israel to Austria and Greece. Anywhere else? |
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Post by finsobruce on May 27, 2019 17:12:38 GMT
Political crisis ongoing that could lead to fresh elections. Pray, tell us more. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on May 27, 2019 17:28:09 GMT
Political crisis ongoing that could lead to fresh elections. Pray, tell us more. Lieberman stretched out his usual antics (a dispute with the Haredi parties over a military draft bill) much later in the day than normal taking things right to the deadline, and then it turned out that it wasn't a dance after all. He insists that this is a matter of principle, that he's not trying to ratf uck Netanyahu, but I don't think anyone believes that. Likud have instigated the slightly weird process of dissolving the Knesset (first of three votes passed) rather than have the role of government formation passed to the second largest party. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 27, 2019 17:34:13 GMT
Lieberman stretched out his usual antics (a dispute with the Haredi parties over a military draft bill) much later in the day than normal taking things right to the deadline, and then it turned out that it wasn't a dance after all. He insists that this is a matter of principle, that he's not trying to ratf uck Netanyahu, but I don't think anyone believes that. Likud have instigated the slightly weird process of dissolving the Knesset (first of three votes passed) rather than have the role of government formation passed to the second largest party. Thanks. Exciting times. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on May 29, 2019 19:18:36 GMT
Lieberman and the Haredi parties have both rejected a last minute offer from Netanyahu. Meanwhile, he also approached Gabbay with a promise of cabinet seats: Gabbay was apparently quite tempted by this but was told to fuck off by his remaining MKs, so that's off as well.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 29, 2019 19:57:16 GMT
Looking like a second election of 2019 is almost certain.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on May 29, 2019 23:57:40 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2019 11:57:36 GMT
Has he totally lost it?
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Post by curiousliberal on May 30, 2019 12:01:56 GMT
Sadly, the last pre-trial hearing is scheduled for October, and the election for September, so Netanyahu can still delay justice if he wins again. He'll also overtake David Ben-Gurion in July, come what may, as Israel's longest-serving PM.
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Post by finsobruce on May 30, 2019 12:10:18 GMT
Sadly, the last pre-trial hearing is scheduled for October, and the election for September, so Netanyahu can still delay justice if he wins again. He'll also overtake David Ben-Gurion in July, come what may, as Israel's longest-serving PM.What a truly depressing fact.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 30, 2019 12:29:19 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to.
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2019 12:58:14 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the exemption? Are Haredim pacifist or is it purely about it disturbing their study of the Torah? |
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Post by curiousliberal on May 30, 2019 13:07:32 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the exemption? Are Haredim pacifist or is it purely about it disturbing their study of the Torah? As I understand it according to Israeli acquaintances, it is the latter. This can sometimes tie into a belief that the country is too secular, along with the acknowledgement that some secular people must always remain to defend the country's borders. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 30, 2019 13:09:44 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the exemption? Are Haredim pacifist or is it purely about it disturbing their study of the Torah? It's that they believe that their entire lives should be the study of the Torah, so conscription isn't anything special, it's just something that would divert them from their divine study, as would presumably eating, shopping, having a family, voting.... |
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2019 13:27:32 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the exemption? Are Haredim pacifist or is it purely about it disturbing their study of the Torah? Surely it is a morbid dread of being blown to little bits and that the recovery team fail to collect up every little bit for reassembly before your can be buried with any hope of getting to heaven? They are extreme religious nut cases with absurdist views on virtually everything plus a marked propensity to breed like rabbits and carpet the nation with useless dreadlocked arseholes in long coats and big hats doing virtually nothing any use to anybody whilst sponging off the state. If I was unfortunate enough to be Israeli I think I would find them more of a threat to the future of the state than the Palestinians. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 30, 2019 14:07:35 GMT
This may be a shrewd move by Lieberman. His vote is in decline as Russian speaking Israelis begin to act as normal voters so why not try and repeat Lapid's prior success on the same issue?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 30, 2019 14:30:38 GMT
Fair play to Lieberman for insisting that all Jewish citizens be subject to conscription, rather than the Haredim voting for themselves to not have to. Does anyone know the reasoning behind the exemption? Are Haredim pacifist or is it purely about it disturbing their study of the Torah? They consider Torah study to itself be part of the "spiritual defence" of the nation. They don't object to conscription- indeed, they are very keen on others being conscripted! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 30, 2019 14:36:11 GMT
This may be a shrewd move by Lieberman. His vote is in decline as Russian speaking Israelis begin to act as normal voters so why not try and repeat Lapid's prior success on the same issue? Lieberman has form here though- he also has long pushed for pork to be allowed. |
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2019 15:47:31 GMT
This may be a shrewd move by Lieberman. His vote is in decline as Russian speaking Israelis begin to act as normal voters so why not try and repeat Lapid's prior success on the same issue? Lieberman has form here though- he also has long pushed for pork to be allowed. And Russian-speaking Israelis are secular. In fact, there are question marks as to how many of them are Jewish at all. |
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