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Post by Foggy on Mar 9, 2021 9:05:00 GMT
Nice to see Fritzlar noted on one of these maps! I live 50m from the RC church in its twin town.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 9, 2021 13:08:30 GMT
Damn good cider in Hesse.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 10, 2021 1:27:17 GMT
Without wanting to interrupt Your great series, a map of confessions ~1650 is - to nobody's surprise - a not so bad fit: "not so bad"? Nice understatement. ;D Well, on a British forum...
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 10, 2021 1:28:28 GMT
Here is a map with the present-day municipality-borders:
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 10, 2021 1:33:28 GMT
Katzenberg. Such a pretty name. Shame it's not the modern municipal name. All those amazing "Katzen-" (transl.: "cats-") prove in my opinion the continuity of the Chatti and Hessians. But some specialists disagree.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 10, 2021 1:52:07 GMT
Damn good cider in Hesse. Why else do you think they'd go looking for English twin towns in Somerset?
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Post by No Offence Alan on Mar 10, 2021 9:08:55 GMT
Katzenberg. Such a pretty name. Shame it's not the modern municipal name. All those amazing "Katzen-" (transl.: "cats-") prove in my opinion the continuity of the Chatti and Hessians. But some specialists disagree.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 10, 2021 15:55:37 GMT
Some utterly useless trivia for you. The Green candidate in Rhineland Palatinate's Wahlkreis 49 (Suedliche Weinstrasse) is the former star of the ill-fated German version of the IT Crowd, one Britta Horn. I was quite surprised to see that they remade it, and from the sounds of it, so were the German viewing public. It might explain why recent polling suggests that someone has switched the FDP off and back on again. Her chances are probably quite slim. The sitting deputy is the SPD's Alexander Schweitzer, who is an observer on the SPD's federal leadership (Parteivorstand).
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 10, 2021 18:42:54 GMT
Some utterly useless trivia for you. The Green candidate in Rhineland Palatinate's Wahlkreis 49 (Suedliche Weinstrasse) is the former star of the ill-fated German version of the IT Crowd, one Britta Horn. I was quite surprised to see that they remade it, and from the sounds of it, so were the German viewing public. It might explain why recent polling suggests that someone has switched the FDP off and back on again. Her chances are probably quite slim. The sitting deputy is the SPD's Alexander Schweitzer, who is an observer on the SPD's federal leadership (Parteivorstand). No41 on the list, so, um, yeah. The direct seat is actually no less implausible. Never heard of this show or its English original but apparently the German remake (of the first season only as nobody watched it) stank to high heavens.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 11, 2021 1:15:02 GMT
All those amazing "Katzen-" (transl.: "cats-") prove in my opinion the continuity of the Chatti and Hessians. But some specialists disagree. Katzen elnbogen was a once important county with castle, what caused the urbanized sur-name Katzen ellenbogen.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 13, 2021 14:50:12 GMT
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 17, 2021 20:08:31 GMT
Meanwhile in Frankfurt city council with just 5 precincts left to count for tomorrow (plus more for the Ortsbeiräte but who care) it looks like Greens 24.7 23 seats CDU 21.8 20 SPD 17.0 16 Left 7.9 7 FDP 7.7 7 AfD 4.6 4 Volt 3.8 4 BFF 2.0 2 PARTEI 1.8 2 Ökolinx 1.8 2 EL 1.3 1 IBF 0.8 1 FW 0.8 1 BIG 0.6 1 Garden Party 0.6 1 Pirates 0.6 1 Poles 0.4 0 etcpp (These figures incorporate the unmodified ballots from the five missing precincts, ie own calculations as is the seat distribution, but don't include an estimate of the remaining modified ballots). Which means Volt is getting the last seat, Left are just missing out on 8 and my favorite exPirate Left city councillor Martin Kliehm is that 8th candidate missing out. Yikes. I can of course comment on everything on here that you've never heard of.
EDIT: Final results CDU +0.1, several others -0.1, no change to seat distribution.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 17, 2021 20:10:51 GMT
Meanwhile in Frankfurt city council with just 5 precincts left to count for tomorrow (plus more for the Ortsbeiräte but who care) it looks like Greens 24.7 23 seats CDU 21.8 20 SPD 17.0 16 Left 7.9 7 FDP 7.7 7 AfD 4.6 4 Volt 3.8 4 BFF 2.0 2 PARTEI 1.8 2 Ökolinx 1.8 2 EL 1.3 1 IBF 0.8 1 FW 0.8 1 BIG 0.6 1 Garden Party 0.6 1 Pirates 0.6 1 Poles 0.4 0 etcpp (These figures incorporate the unmodified ballots from the five missing precincts, ie own calculations as is the seat distribution, but don't include an estimate of the remaining modified ballots). Which means Volt is getting the last seat, Left are just missing out on 8 and my favorite exPirate Left city councillor Martin Kliehm is that 8th candidate missing out. Yikes. I can of course comment on everything on here that you've never heard of.Yes, please.
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 17, 2021 20:58:34 GMT
Starting with the easy part... BFF are yr usual rightwing, sometimes populist, local indies. Was the Frankfurt branch of FW once but split ways before the 2016 elections.
Ökolinx is the personal vehicle of Jutta Ditfurth who used to be a Green city councillor - and fairly prominent statewide - of the elsewhere long defunct fundie/ecosocialist stripe back in the 80s. She's been back on the council ever since the end of the threshold in 2001 and since 2016 has a second seat - taken up by her longterm partner Manfred Zieran who was also a Green councillor in the 80s.
The newly founded Garden Party is a nimby list that thinks Frankfurt totally should build new houses, but not where people have gardens / allotments.
I'll assume you're aware of PARTEI (+1) and BIG (who'll be new to the council).
Europa Liste (ie longterm indie councillor Luigi Brillante) and Ich Bin ein Frankfurter (new to the council) are notionally multiethnic, vaguely center-left migrant lists but in practice the first is Italian and the latter ex-Soviet and Chinese.
FW list included a surprising number of Hindu names this time, including a guy at the no.3 spot who was bumped up to no.1 by personal votes. So, uh, looks like that strategy succeeded a little too well for the official lead candidate's liking. Also their sitting councillor who'd hilariously formed a technnical group with Pirates and PARTEI ran his own slate FFWG but wasn't reelected.
Addendum: SPD rebel Bernhard Ochs who defended his seat with an indy slate last time around goes down. Erhard Römer who was elected to the city council as a Grey Panther but stood for FW in the state election retired and so did his list, so Brilliante needs new partners for his technical group.
Edit: Forgot that we also had an LKR (called ALFA at the time of the 16 election) councillor who sat as a guest member of the CDU group and eventually joined that party entirely last year while making it clear he wasn't seeking reelection. LKR did not contest this year's election.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 17, 2021 22:21:04 GMT
Shame that Erhard Römer's list didn't have a youth wing called Junge Römer.
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 18, 2021 3:14:53 GMT
Shame that Erhard Römer's list didn't have a youth wing called Junge Römer. But during his first, 11-6 term the technical group he was in was called The Römer Group... because.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 18, 2021 15:06:31 GMT
Shame that Erhard Römer's list didn't have a youth wing called Junge Römer. But during his first, 11-6 term the technical group he was in was called The Römer Group... because. Any excuse for the man that Jörg Haider clearly wanted to be.
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 21, 2021 13:18:48 GMT
Turnout was 45% which is actually the highest since 2001. Across the city center it was the highest since 1997 ie the highest under mix-and-match. Over half the vote was cast by mail, which is an issue for these calculations (there are a few ... a bit strange ... results at the precinct level). Though turnout can be determined relatively accurately of course. Winners map. There are a few winning shares under 20%. Also, just for fun (unshaded): Whatever meaning you can derive from a CDU second place with 13% vs 31% Greens, 12% SPD, 11% Left, 8% Volt (an actual result), there are still some patterns clearly visible. The largest parties Please notice the flatter distribution of the SPD, which doesn't fall below 7.5% anywhere and rarely below 10% which is something of a feat on 16% citywide, really. By contrast Volt has a number of basically zero precincts. In the queue: Left, FDP, AfD, Volt probably also in 2.5% scale, combined other (which if combined actually win a few precincts!) certainly in 2.5% scale, smaller parties at the level of postal precincts with corresponding (one to five) day precincts added in, probably at 1% scale with an extra step for half a point (approximately what it takes to win a seat), maybe for 1.5 as well. EDIT for hilarious and consistent error - confused a group of precincts (451-01 through 04) with another (452-01 through 04).
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Post by minionofmidas on Mar 25, 2021 18:57:06 GMT
So here's as many maps as you can shake a stick at and more than you should want to. I hope I didn't mess up and saved some of these greyscale maps half-finished. These are the official preliminary totals but there is one precinct where their results MUST be transposed. (To the Left's benefit.) One of the Rebstock precincts. Bizarrely it seems that the election night partial count results reported were correct. However the hell this can have happened beats me - it's not as if their slates were of identical length. This looks like a little like a picture of a bombed city with some of the former strongholds still standing and others utterly collapsed. I wonder if Russian origin plays into it; I have no way of verifying. (Russian citizenship data by neighborhood, though not at this level of detail, might be obtainable. Russian birthplace data, absolutely not.) The most stunning result of this election, never expected this much for them - despite Cologne. Very instructive to compare with the PARTEI map from the Euros when their citywide share was almost similar. The PARTEI vote included a sizable subcurrent of what I call generalized protest vote, as did the Pirates' vote during their heyday. Volt's vote, absolutely not. Other, combined. The 2 seat parties: Reduced to little more than that generalized protest vote. Guess the hipsters decamped to the newest game in town already? I wouldn't bother trying to make sense of this map. It also appears I forgot to label it, it's BFF. The 1 seat parties, in no particular order: Local heroism. The strongest zero-seat parties: More local heroism. Of the remaining 8 lists 2 broke half a percent in one of these precinct clumps and a third in two. Meanwhile because SPD and CDU are at such loggerheads and have been throughout the 5 years of Kenya and have both just suffered their worst result ever (on top of a worst result ever in respectively 2011 and 2016) the talk of coalitions have shifted to Jamaica or possibly Green-Black-Volt on the one hand, or Green-Red-Red(-Volt? -PARTEI?) on the other, with SPD and Left both very willing to try that. Yes, Green-Red-Red is actually a seat short on the election numbers. No, it doesn't matter one jot given the wide selection of generally suportive indies... and Brilliante has already announced he'll sit in the Left group. Just to make a point. Ball's in the Green court. Not holding my breath. There's been a (gradually expanding) theoretical majority to the Left of the FDP continuously since 2001 and the CDU has been part of city government for all of the period.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 26, 2021 19:20:29 GMT
minionofmidas, when you refer to Russian origin and the AfD vote-is this an Auslandsdeutsche vote? There were rumours about it in the UK press a while back.
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