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Post by yellowperil on Feb 16, 2018 8:47:59 GMT
Across the country, with this great variety of seats which was the real characteristic of this Super Thursday rather than the sheer numbers, I call this a really good night for the Lib Dems, not just the 3 gains which might have been expected but a strong showing in a number of seats where there was limited expectation. The Tories had a poor night on the whole, and Labour no better.The Greens made no breakthrough and will also be disappointed,and UKIP almost vanished completely. The only other party who may consider the night satisfactory were the Nats , and then only because they held on. It was a very good night for the Lib Dems- as discussed before on here I think you are reverting back to being the natural protest vote party. A couple of decent second places were more unexpected than the 3 gains. A gain is a gain, but given the circumstances of the election I’m surprised Chudleigh was so close and would say that was one of the less impressive performances of the night. I would expect the local circumstances in Chudleigh had a lot to do with it being so close - I guess the local Tories were a bit more fired up than usual by the defection of one of their own. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 16, 2018 8:58:22 GMT
I will be rather surprised if Labour fail to hold Doncaster against an independent from 5 miles away who had previously been a councillor in his home patch and then had lost it. Admittedly he has the advantage of being able to hoover up any ABL votes out there but even so for Labour to lose this one would be to change a mediocre night for them into a disaster area.
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Post by andrewp on Feb 16, 2018 9:04:55 GMT
I will be rather surprised if Labour fail to hold Doncaster against an independent from 5 miles away who had previously been a councillor in his home patch and then had lost it. Admittedly he has the advantage of being able to hoover up any ABL votes out there but even so for Labour to lose this one would be to change a mediocre night for them into a disaster area. He did have quite a high profile as leader of the Community Group ( and possibly official opposition??) on the council but I would be surprised as well. |
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Post by stananson on Feb 16, 2018 9:28:07 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 16, 2018 9:30:30 GMT
Told you Andrews would beat Hones.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 9:45:16 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 10:18:08 GMT
It was a very good night for the Lib Dems- as discussed before on here I think you are reverting back to being the natural protest vote party. A couple of decent second places were more unexpected than the 3 gains. A gain is a gain, but given the circumstances of the election I’m surprised Chudleigh was so close and would say that was one of the less impressive performances of the night. The previous poll in Chudleigh featured a couple of independents. There's no telling where their vote will go when they're not standing. Another factor may be that our candidate - who was one of the independents last time - had been a Tory councillor previously, so the local Tories may have put special effort in to stop her. is there an echo in here?  seriously though do you really believe that a load of extra Tories got off their sofas to try and defeat her? You out campaigned them, but it was close. Nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 10:23:21 GMT
Actually, Labour put on 8.5%, so a solid advance for them. Considering their polling figures and recent election results, it's not as much of a surprise. Plus Labour forms the main Unionist opposition party in Falkirk, giving them some tactical advantage over the Conservatives. how would it give them a tactical advantage? the whole point of the local voting system in Scotland is that "advantage" is reduced or even eliminated. The story is that the Conservatives haven't fallen back in Scotland since the election as some thought they would, job done. Not enough to take the seat, but interesting none the less. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 10:28:24 GMT
Across the country, with this great variety of seats which was the real characteristic of this Super Thursday rather than the sheer numbers, I call this a really good night for the Lib Dems, not just the 3 gains which might have been expected but a strong showing in a number of seats where there was limited expectation. The Tories had a poor night on the whole, and Labour no better.The Greens made no breakthrough and will also be disappointed,and UKIP almost vanished completely. The only other party who may consider the night satisfactory were the Nats , and then only because they held on. Where were the Greens going to make a breakthrough? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 16, 2018 10:29:08 GMT
The previous poll in Chudleigh featured a couple of independents. There's no telling where their vote will go when they're not standing. Another factor may be that our candidate - who was one of the independents last time - had been a Tory councillor previously, so the local Tories may have put special effort in to stop her. is there an echo in here? seriously though do you really believe that a load of extra Tories got off their sofas to try and defeat her? You out campaigned them, but it was close. Nothing wrong with that. Oh I agree, and the reported swing is very good for us. But actually we won the other seat here in a by-election since the last full poll, so should have expected to do well. It's a bit tighter than seems comfortable on that basis. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 16, 2018 10:29:50 GMT
Across the country, with this great variety of seats which was the real characteristic of this Super Thursday rather than the sheer numbers, I call this a really good night for the Lib Dems, not just the 3 gains which might have been expected but a strong showing in a number of seats where there was limited expectation. The Tories had a poor night on the whole, and Labour no better.The Greens made no breakthrough and will also be disappointed,and UKIP almost vanished completely. The only other party who may consider the night satisfactory were the Nats , and then only because they held on. Where were the Greens going to make a breakthrough? Their best hope might have been in York, but even there they slumped to fourth. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 16, 2018 10:33:03 GMT
Actually, the circumstances of this election (the lurid details of the former member's home life as well as the progression of Ms Evans from Tory councillor to Indy to Lib Dem) does mean that the reaction of the Tories in this village (and remember its a village,with all that implies) was either going to be to run away and hide, or to come out fighting. In the end it was obviously the latter and they did better than might have been expected, but in the end they were as you say out-campaigned.
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 16, 2018 10:35:06 GMT
Across the country, with this great variety of seats which was the real characteristic of this Super Thursday rather than the sheer numbers, I call this a really good night for the Lib Dems, not just the 3 gains which might have been expected but a strong showing in a number of seats where there was limited expectation. The Tories had a poor night on the whole, and Labour no better.The Greens made no breakthrough and will also be disappointed,and UKIP almost vanished completely. The only other party who may consider the night satisfactory were the Nats , and then only because they held on. Where were the Greens going to make a breakthrough? I am told they were campaigning hard in York. Nuff said. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 10:38:26 GMT
Where were the Greens going to make a breakthrough? Their best hope might have been in York, but even there they slumped to fourth. the point being that they didn't have any realistic expectations anywhere. They are currently in the doldrums and have done well to make the recent gains that we have seen. Just because there were a lot of contests by usual standards doesn't mean there was anywhere that was going to be good for them. We could go all the way to May's elections without a Green prospect coming up. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 16, 2018 10:42:41 GMT
Actually, the circumstances of this election (the lurid details of the former member's home life as well as the progression of Ms Evans from Tory councillor to Indy to Lib Dem) does mean that the reaction of the Tories in this village (and remember its a village,with all that implies) was either going to be to run away and hide, or to come out fighting. In the end it was obviously the latter and they did better than might have been expected, but in the end they were as you say out-campaigned. Village? the ward has a population of 6,000 + and a professional Quidditch team (since 1674). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 10:46:52 GMT
Really? I didnt even realise this isnt the same Chudleigh that the Chudleigh Cannons origninated from.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 16, 2018 10:54:56 GMT
They performed pretty well in the previous parliament in local by-elections yet still lost further ground to the Tories and Labour in the general Yes. And to be honest the places they did well are places where we never have. North Norfolk or Teignbridge will never be Labour seats, whereas the LibDems have held Teignbridge and hold North Norfolk |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 16, 2018 10:55:55 GMT
That one may be staying with us  Told in another place by someone who lives locally that the Tories "swamped" this yesterday - Labour apparently sent out a last minute e-mail pleading for support. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 16, 2018 10:57:54 GMT
Actually, the circumstances of this election (the lurid details of the former member's home life as well as the progression of Ms Evans from Tory councillor to Indy to Lib Dem) does mean that the reaction of the Tories in this village (and remember its a village,with all that implies) was either going to be to run away and hide, or to come out fighting. In the end it was obviously the latter and they did better than might have been expected, but in the end they were as you say out-campaigned. Village? the ward has a population of 6,000 + and a professional Quidditch team (since 1674). Yes its not my idea of a village either, ( My village is 1000 so of course that's my idea of what a village should be) but there are plenty of overgrown villages of 6k+ around, and I think it will still behave much as a village. Don't see the relevance of Quidditch, tbh. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 16, 2018 11:02:28 GMT
Really? I didnt even realise this isnt the same Chudleigh that the Chudleigh Cannons origninated from. To paraphrase Specsavers, should’ve read Andrew’s Previews 😉 |
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