Sibboleth
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'Sit on my finger, sing in my ear, O littleblood.'
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 2, 2018 12:26:58 GMT
Most councils are pretty crap, but then it's hard not for them to be these days.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 2, 2018 12:39:18 GMT
Most councils are pretty crap, but then it's hard not for them to be these days. I think we can all agree that some make a special effort to rise above a chasing pack of mediocrity and really demonstrate their crapness in big glaring neon lights. |
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Post by markgoodair on Feb 2, 2018 13:12:04 GMT
Tbf there are plenty of places poorly run and corrupt as anything but somehow remain in safevhands. I'm not from the North East but I have lived in areas where they are shit yet people still vote for them Salford. Every bloody time. Add Wakefield to that list. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 2, 2018 13:44:50 GMT
Most councils are pretty crap, but then it's hard not for them to be these days. Yes, I doubt it's the council that's the problem. The local organisation, on the other hand... |
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Post by middleenglander on Feb 2, 2018 16:03:35 GMT
Cornwall, Falmouth Smithick - Labour hold
| Party | 2018 votes | 2018 share | since 2017 | since 2013 | | Labour | 643 | 60.2% | +19.9% | +26.8% | Conservative | 184 | 17.2% | -7.2% | +3.5% | Liberal Democrat | 184 | 17.2% | -1.7% | +0.9% | Green | 57 | 5.3% | -11.0% | from nowhere | Independent 1 |
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| -16.5% | Independent 2 |
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| -12.2% | Independent 3 |
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| -7.8% | Total votes | 1,068 |
| 90% | 113% |
Swing Conservative to Labour ~ 13½% since last May and, less meaningful, ~ 12% since 2013 Council now 46 Conservative, 38 Liberal Democrat, 30 Independent, 5 Labour, 4 Mebyon Kernow Sunderland, Pallion, Liberal Democrat gain from Labour
Party | 2018 votes | 2018 share | since 2016 | since 2015 | since 2014 | since 2012 | Liberal Democrat | 1,251 | 53.9% | +49.5% | +50.3% | +50.9% | +49.6% | Labour | 807 | 34.8% | -15.9% | -14.5% | -13.0% | -31.9% | Conservative | 126 | 5.4% | -7.2% | -9.7% | -8.9% | -10.4% | UKIP | 97 | 4.2% | -24.7% | -23.5% | -25.9% | from nowhere | Green | 39 | 1.7% | -1.8% | -2.5% | -3.1% | -11.5% | Total votes | 2,320 |
| 112% | 63% | 106% | 100% |
Swing Labour to Liberal Democrat 32% / 33% since 2016, 2015 and 2014 but nearly 41% since 2012 Council now 65 Labour, 6 Conservative, 3 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 3, 2018 20:14:07 GMT
I note the total vote in Pallion was up 12% on 2016- fairly remarkable to get a substantially higher turnout in an early February by-election than at the main election time, in fact 65% of the general election vote under these circumstances is pretty good. Indeed Labour may well have calculated that getting 800 votes out at this time would be enough to hold the seat on the sort of derisory turnout that they would normally expect. The Lib Dem candidate has probably not won over the core Labour vote but they have certainly energised a lot of voters who would normally have stayed at home.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 20:26:45 GMT
That cant been true on the day if we were seeing 3,000 voters and only 800 were our promise id worry
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Post by lancastrian on Feb 4, 2018 0:01:24 GMT
In contrast with the Lib Dems bringing Farron in, from Twitter Labour appear to already be working for the May elections elsewhere in Sunderland, so they have committed activists, but perhaps didn't use them all for the by election.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 9:06:10 GMT
I note the total vote in Pallion was up 12% on 2016- fairly remarkable to get a substantially higher turnout in an early February by-election than at the main election time, in fact 65% of the general election vote under these circumstances is pretty good. Indeed Labour may well have calculated that getting 800 votes out at this time would be enough to hold the seat on the sort of derisory turnout that they would normally expect. The Lib Dem candidate has probably not won over the core Labour vote but they have certainly energised a lot of voters who would normally have stayed at home. That and the Tory and UKIP vote... |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 4, 2018 9:17:56 GMT
That cant been true on the day if we were seeing 3,000 voters and only 800 were our promise id worry 1. There were "only" 2300 votes-already exceptionally high for a February by-election- 3000 would have meant a total vote nearing the GE level. 2. The scale of the Labour disbelief at what they were witnessing is illustrated by their demand for a Libdem vote only recount. The disgraceful thing was that the officers allowed that travesty to take place, even if the result was to put the LibDem vote up by 1. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 4, 2018 9:26:33 GMT
I note the total vote in Pallion was up 12% on 2016- fairly remarkable to get a substantially higher turnout in an early February by-election than at the main election time, in fact 65% of the general election vote under these circumstances is pretty good. Indeed Labour may well have calculated that getting 800 votes out at this time would be enough to hold the seat on the sort of derisory turnout that they would normally expect. The Lib Dem candidate has probably not won over the core Labour vote but they have certainly energised a lot of voters who would normally have stayed at home. That and the Tory and UKIP vote... Obviously, given the scale of the collapse of the Tory and UKIP vote, some of those were undoubtedly voting tactically for the Lib Dem, itself remarkable given where the starting positions were. But many of those probably stayed at home. and given an overall turnout 12% higher than in 2016, much of the Lib Dem total must have been "new" voters. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Feb 4, 2018 16:40:38 GMT
Yes, I knew it was happening but wasn't going to tell anyone here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 16:45:15 GMT
Easy to say now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 17:56:23 GMT
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