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Post by ideal4radio on Feb 2, 2018 0:31:34 GMT
Knowing Twitter, the result in Sunderland will be cited as PROOF that Brexit is being rejected (due to big LD swing) while the result in Falmouth will be cited as PROOF that the country is perfectly satisifed with the way Brexit is going (due to decline in LD vote share). Because Brexit is the only issue that anyone votes on, duh. I suspect you're right on the Twitter point !! |
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Post by justin124 on Feb 2, 2018 0:49:27 GMT
. LibDem success seems to be based on very parochial issues and so much of their support is 'easy come easy go'.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 2, 2018 1:10:29 GMT
And always has been!
But without any local insight it's hard to explain. However I don't think it says anything at all about Brexit. Certainly the idea that Sunderland has suddenly become a heartland of renewed Remain enthusiasm because of a local vote for a national Remain party is not credible
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Post by mrhell on Feb 2, 2018 1:15:11 GMT
What explains this LD performance? It's a rejection of Labour's leadership, London centric focus, and concentration on Gender/Race/Sexuality issues from a Community that have more basic concerns, namely the absence of quality jobs, crime levels and lack of opportunities for the young... imho, of course... Frankly it's because Labour are shit in Sunderland. I was smiling to myself when I read the predictions competition today as I thought we would win but I wasn't sure. I'd helped on two days during the campaign and had got a decent reception (the same today as I was there from 11.30 onwards). I was actually outside the count with some other activists who couldn't get in but I couldn't post anything because my phone internet connection wouldn't work. Martin was an excellent candidate and well liked. Hilariously the delay in announcing the result was because there was a full recount of our votes. We were 443 up! Apparently, Labour couldn't believe it and the officers agreed to the recount of only our votes (which says everything about Sunderland). They found an extra vote for us. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 2, 2018 4:43:55 GMT
It's a rejection of Labour's leadership, London centric focus, and concentration on Gender/Race/Sexuality issues from a Community that have more basic concerns, namely the absence of quality jobs, crime levels and lack of opportunities for the young... imho, of course... Frankly it's because Labour are shit in Sunderland. I was smiling to myself when I read the predictions competition today as I thought we would win but I wasn't sure. I'd helped on two days during the campaign and had got a decent reception (the same today as I was there from 11.30 onwards). I was actually outside the count with some other activists who couldn't get in but I couldn't post anything because my phone internet connection wouldn't work. Martin was an excellent candidate and well liked. Hilariously the delay in announcing the result was because there was a full recount of our votes. We were 443 up! Apparently, Labour couldn't believe it and the officers agreed to the recount of only our votes (which says everything about Sunderland). They found an extra vote for us. Haven't been aware of a recount before where the first-placed party is almost 20% ahead.  |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 2, 2018 7:48:57 GMT
I think he was joking. But I do remember the Lib Dems putting out green leaflets in Bristol West. Maybe people wouldn't change their vote but worth a try? I'd have thought it counter-productive? Big text saying how great your candidate is, voter says "aha, the one for me" but doesn't remember the name just that the colour of the party was green (or red etc). Funnily enough I saw some local draft material which was also red, don't know why. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 2, 2018 8:19:14 GMT
. LibDem success seems to be based on very parochial issues and so much of their support is 'easy come easy go'. It is more like "hard come easy go". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 8:59:02 GMT
It's a rejection of Labour's leadership, London centric focus, and concentration on Gender/Race/Sexuality issues from a Community that have more basic concerns, namely the absence of quality jobs, crime levels and lack of opportunities for the young... imho, of course... Labour are shit in Sunderland. Mu favourite thing about you is your impartiality |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 9:03:06 GMT
Not from Sunderland but I've been a victim of the Lib Dems organisation. It's deadly. Just thankful there aren't enough Lib Dems to organise in every ward like this
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 2, 2018 9:07:02 GMT
Not from Sunderland but I've been a victim of the Lib Dems organisation. It's deadly. Just thankful there aren't enough Lib Dems to organise in every ward like this That's very nice of you to say. Thank-you.  |
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Post by alderman on Feb 2, 2018 10:08:25 GMT
Wow - I certainly did not see this coming. The LibDems have come from absolutely nowhere, with an increase in vote rarely seen, except in exceptional circumstances! Is there anyone here from the area, that can tell us of anything controversial about the campaign or the candidates that could have caused this result? Normally a party will attract sympathy for a by-election caused by the death of a sitting Councillor. In this case though the deceased Councillor was Leader of the Council and had received a fair bit of unfortunate publicity both in local outlets and in national organs such as Private Eye. The truth of all of that I know not, but I would surmise there was no sympathy vote, rather the reverse in spades. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 2, 2018 10:34:21 GMT
Labour are shit in Sunderland. Mu favourite thing about you is your impartiality From what I have heard - and the two by-election results since the start of 2017 back this up - he does have something of a point here. As I said after the previous LibDem raid last January, the contrast with nearby Newcastle seems pretty evident. |
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Post by mrhell on Feb 2, 2018 10:49:57 GMT
Labour are shit in Sunderland. Mu favourite thing about you is your impartiality They are shit. How on earth do you think they are losing safe wards like this? South Tyneside are pretty terrible as well. I live in Newcastle and Labour are certainly nothing like this appalling. Gateshead by accounts is pretty well ran. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 10:54:00 GMT
Tbf there are plenty of places poorly run and corrupt as anything but somehow remain in safevhands. I'm not from the North East but I have lived in areas where they are shit yet people still vote for them
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 2, 2018 11:01:00 GMT
Tbf there are plenty of places poorly run and corrupt as anything but somehow remain in safevhands. I'm not from the North East but I have lived in areas where they are shit yet people still vote for them Salford. Every bloody time. |
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 2, 2018 11:01:24 GMT
Mu favourite thing about you is your impartiality They are shit. How on earth do you think they are losing safe wards like this? South Tyneside are pretty terrible as well. I live in Newcastle and Labour are certainly nothing like this appalling. Gateshead by accounts is pretty well ran. I can believe that, they had a not great reputation when I was Tyneside based three decades ago. Though there is, amazingly, the chance it could become a 100% Labour council in three months time...... |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 2, 2018 11:36:44 GMT
Wow - I certainly did not see this coming. The LibDems have come from absolutely nowhere, with an increase in vote rarely seen, except in exceptional circumstances! Is there anyone here from the area, that can tell us of anything controversial about the campaign or the candidates that could have caused this result? Change of direction. Vote dustbins have been repainted yellow from purple. Failure to do proper re-cycling has resulted in bin being overfilled on this first outing. |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 2, 2018 11:46:10 GMT
Tbf there are plenty of places poorly run and corrupt as anything but somehow remain in safevhands. I'm not from the North East but I have lived in areas where they are shit yet people still vote for them Windsor and Maidenhead! |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 2, 2018 11:51:03 GMT
Surely the point is the combination of a complacent shit council and a LibDem organisation equipped to take advantage. I knew in Sunderland we had the latter and it was amply demonstrated last year.My mistake was believing that the administration would have learnt the lesson- obviously not.
The sad thing and I have seen it before, eventually the Lib Dems get to be seen as the winners, all sorts of people climb on board to take advantage of the new sure thing,the Lib Dems with their new friends take control and the whole cycle repeats itself. The really good thing comes in these early stages when some particularly able candidates present themselves and make a real difference. What will happen when we come to full elections will still be anybody's guess, but Labour should not assume total wipeout is impossible.
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 2, 2018 12:00:35 GMT
Surely the point is the combination of a complacent shit council and a LibDem organisation equipped to take advantage. I knew in Sunderland we had the latter and it was amply demonstrated last year.My mistake was believing that the administration would have learnt the lesson- obviously not. The sad thing and I have seen it before, eventually the Lib Dems get to be seen as the winners, all sorts of people climb on board to take advantage of the new sure thing,the Lib Dems with their new friends take control and the whole cycle repeats itself. The really good thing comes in these early stages when some particularly able candidates present themselves and make a real difference. What will happen when we come to full elections will still be anybody's guess, but Labour should not assume total wipeout is impossible. It certainly happened in Liverpool though in truth the policies of the LibDems in the city were textbook Blairism |
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