seanf
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Post by seanf on Mar 4, 2018 15:12:03 GMT
Andreotti & Co. were certainly villains, but the Italian economy boomed from the Fifties to the Eighties under their governments.
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 4, 2018 15:48:31 GMT
In what direction were the exit polls wrong last time?
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thetop
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Post by thetop on Mar 4, 2018 17:18:46 GMT
In what direction were the exit polls wrong last time? M5S done notably better, at PD's expense. |
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Post by Antiochian on Mar 4, 2018 17:55:44 GMT
Garibaldi is the one I consider the biggest problem. If the South had stayed separate, and been given time to align with the North, it might have all worked out much more smoothly. Instead, millions of Italians were forced to emigrate by the economic disaster imposed by the Piedmontese and friends. He was not 'the problem' but merely facilitated that historic trend by daring and winning because the others were do very crap. He was a mad cap chancer and should not be lauded as he is. An Italy containing much more of Savoy, a bit of upper Adriatic and most of the Ticino, yet ending with Lazio would have been so much better. The Kingdom might have seen out both Wars and then have concentrated on produce, wine and tourism greatly aided by American remittances, Marshall aid and a large influx of administrators from International institutions. That instead of benign and not so benign neglect! But just think Carlton... the EU would have taken on the southern rump as a "project" and we'd still be paying for it all the same.. |
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Mar 4, 2018 17:58:11 GMT
I’m still backing Five Star. The complacent Italian establishment needs a metaphoric punch in the face. Would you go out and vote for them, Rain or Shine? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 4, 2018 18:08:51 GMT
I agree with Eliot Fletcher's well-argued criticism of Five Star.
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Mar 4, 2018 18:24:20 GMT
Aah, Five Star. Romford's version of the Jacksons.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 4, 2018 18:25:38 GMT
I agree with Eliot Fletcher's well-argued criticism of Five Star. You'll love this other spot-on musical criticism: |
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Post by Antiochian on Mar 4, 2018 18:39:10 GMT
Polls don't close until 11pm so to use those immortal lines "we are in for a long night"...
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 4, 2018 18:39:52 GMT
It's a bit ignorant and cartoonish though. Andreotti, for instance, had his darker side, but he was also responsible for the creation of the SSN (i.e. the Italian NHS), redistributive economic policies that were quite effective in their way, and had an important role in the evolution of Italian cinema (bizarre but true). A lot of this came about due to co-operation with the PCI and its affiliated unions who the theoretically firmly anticommunist Andreotti got on with better than the DC Left. His relationship with the Mafia was also much more complex than claimed there - they seem to have picked up their postwar Italian history from Godfather III... |
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Mar 4, 2018 18:41:12 GMT
I’m still backing Five Star. The complacent Italian establishment needs a metaphoric punch in the face. Would you go out and vote for them, Rain or Shine? Quoted for extra praise  |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 4, 2018 18:46:16 GMT
But this feels like a good excuse to post one of my favourite photos...  |
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andrea
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Post by andrea on Mar 4, 2018 18:48:24 GMT
The queue was quite long when I went to polling station this afternoon. Around 10 people each in male and female lines when I arrived.
The new anti-fraud system is taking extra time. When they give you the ballot paper, the chair of the polling station has to read a number (that is present on the ballot paper that gave you) to one of the counters who writes it down next to your name on the register.
Then when you come back after voting and give him the ballot paper, he has to re-read it to the counter who checks that the number is the same. Then the chair can remove the number and place the ballot paper on the ballot box.
As we have 2 ballot papers (House and Senate), they have to do it twice.
Turnout at 19:00 is 58.something (some municipalities still have to report)
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Mar 4, 2018 18:49:34 GMT
The queue was quite long when I went to polling station this afternoon. Around 10 people each in male and female lines when I arrived. The new anti-fraud system is taking extra time. When they give you the ballot paper, the chair of the polling station has to read a number (that is present on the ballot paper that gave you) to one of the counters who writes it down next to your name on the register. Then when you come back after voting and give him the ballot paper, he has to re-read it to the counter who checks that the number is the same. Then the chair can remove the number and place the ballot paper on the ballot box. As we have 2 ballot papers (House and Senate), they have to do it twice. There are separate male and female lines? |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 4, 2018 18:53:38 GMT
The queue was quite long when I went to polling station this afternoon. Around 10 people each in male and female lines when I arrived. The new anti-fraud system is taking extra time. When they give you the ballot paper, the chair of the polling station has to read a number (that is present on the ballot paper that gave you) to one of the counters who writes it down next to your name on the register. Then when you come back after voting and give him the ballot paper, he has to re-read it to the counter who checks that the number is the same. Then the chair can remove the number and place the ballot paper on the ballot box. As we have 2 ballot papers (House and Senate), they have to do it twice. Turnout at 19:00 is 58.something (some municipalities still have to report) Where are you again, Monza/Como kinda way? |
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andrea
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Post by andrea on Mar 4, 2018 18:54:05 GMT
The queue was quite long when I went to polling station this afternoon. Around 10 people each in male and female lines when I arrived. The new anti-fraud system is taking extra time. When they give you the ballot paper, the chair of the polling station has to read a number (that is present on the ballot paper that gave you) to one of the counters who writes it down next to your name on the register. Then when you come back after voting and give him the ballot paper, he has to re-read it to the counter who checks that the number is the same. Then the chair can remove the number and place the ballot paper on the ballot box. As we have 2 ballot papers (House and Senate), they have to do it twice. There are separate male and female lines? That's because there are 2 registers: one with male names and one with female names. Where are you again, Monza/Como kinda way? yes, province of Monza |
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Mar 4, 2018 19:00:32 GMT
Where are you again, Monza/Como kinda way? Do you get Magic Moments down Como way? |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 4, 2018 19:05:59 GMT
There are separate male and female lines? That's because there are 2 registers: one with male names and one with female names. Where are you again, Monza/Como kinda way? yes, province of Monza One of not many people I can call northern by comparison! |
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Post by Antiochian on Mar 4, 2018 19:10:01 GMT
The queue was quite long when I went to polling station this afternoon. Around 10 people each in male and female lines when I arrived. The new anti-fraud system is taking extra time. When they give you the ballot paper, the chair of the polling station has to read a number (that is present on the ballot paper that gave you) to one of the counters who writes it down next to your name on the register. Then when you come back after voting and give him the ballot paper, he has to re-read it to the counter who checks that the number is the same. Then the chair can remove the number and place the ballot paper on the ballot box. As we have 2 ballot papers (House and Senate), they have to do it twice. There are separate male and female lines? Popular Northern Italian saying "Africa begins south of Rome". |
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Foggy
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Post by Foggy on Mar 4, 2018 19:15:32 GMT
When they give you the ballot paper, the chair of the polling station has to read a number (that is present on the ballot paper that gave you) to one of the counters who writes it down next to your name on the register. Then when you come back after voting and give him the ballot paper, he has to re-read it to the counter who checks that the number is the same. Then the chair can remove the number and place the ballot paper on the ballot box. As we have 2 ballot papers (House and Senate), they have to do it twice. Ahh, good old efficiency all'italiana. |
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