The Bishop
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Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 5, 2018 15:59:30 GMT
PD third in Umbria, no district seats won. Renzi has resigned as PD leader o/c but it would probably also be for the best if he never showed his face in public again. Its a shame, he was genuinely promising at one point (even if you didn't exactly share his political positioning) Blair syndrome again, I guess
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Mar 5, 2018 16:18:00 GMT
Is this the end for Pietro Grasso? He's going to need someone to die in order to get a shot at being a senator for life.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 5, 2018 17:05:12 GMT
Take the point - but to me Berlusconi was a model for the current trends albeit not always acknowledged I was having a bit of joke admittedly there. Berlo is definitely a model for some of our modern trends, but arguably he was in the right place at the right time. I'd be interested to know what Sibboleth thinks, but I'd argue that had Craxi et al not fallen, Berlo would not have emerged in this way- and to some extent he is Craxism taken to its extreme conclusion, a world where ideology does not really matter. Even Andreotti had some principles of politics- Berlusconi and his chum Craxi arguably had none beyond power. Its looking at those names that you realise just how bad it is, and for how long it has been bad
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 5, 2018 17:06:49 GMT
PD third in Umbria, no district seats won. Renzi has resigned as PD leader o/c but it would probably also be for the best if he never showed his face in public again. I suspect the PD need a period of silence, then give the gig to Gentiloni, whose popularity outruns the party itself. Maurizio Martina is probably too close to Renzi, which is a shame as he looks competent. Just sit back and let whoever ends up running things make the mess of it they inevitably will. Italian politics is like a seesaw anyway, and the party structure is even weaker than the French
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2018 17:43:20 GMT
I've just spotted that anti-vaccination crankery is part of the MS5 platform.
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Sibboleth
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'Sit on my finger, sing in my ear, O littleblood.'
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 5, 2018 17:44:19 GMT
PD third in Umbria, no district seats won. Renzi has resigned as PD leader o/c but it would probably also be for the best if he never showed his face in public again. Its a shame, he was genuinely promising at one point (even if you didn't exactly share his political positioning) Blair syndrome again, I guess Curiously enough he's an excellent example - the best for some time - of why 'No Compromise With The Electorate' is such a suicidal strategy.
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Mar 5, 2018 17:45:47 GMT
I've just spotted that anti-vaccination crankery is part of the MS5 platform. Because of course it is.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 5, 2018 17:52:39 GMT
I've just spotted that crankery is the MS5 platform. FTFY
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2018 18:13:31 GMT
I've just spotted that anti-vaccination crankery is part of the MS5 platform. Because of course it is. It is a deeply-held principle, but if we don't like those, they of course have others.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2018 18:16:15 GMT
Further investigation suggests that Grillo doesn't believe in mammograms, but the MS5 managed to avoid putting that in the manifesto.
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Mar 5, 2018 18:32:22 GMT
Further investigation suggests that Grillo doesn't believe in mammograms, but the MS5 managed to avoid putting that in the manifesto. In contrast to Berlusconi, who fully supports them as long as he gets to do them by hand.
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Mar 5, 2018 18:42:23 GMT
Further investigation suggests that Grillo doesn't believe in mammograms, but the MS5 managed to avoid putting that in the manifesto. He doesn't believe in them why?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2018 18:59:07 GMT
Further investigation suggests that Grillo doesn't believe in mammograms, but the MS5 managed to avoid putting that in the manifesto. He doesn't believe in them why? It seems like mondialito isn't far off the mark- seems he thinks they're an excuse for groping.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 5, 2018 19:04:50 GMT
Hey look, a Renzi ally was re-elected outside Tuscany! (lol)
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2018 19:16:04 GMT
I've just realised that Italia Insieme Europa is named after this dreadful cack, the 1990 Eurovision winner:
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john07
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Post by john07 on Mar 5, 2018 19:40:16 GMT
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Izzyeviel
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Post by Izzyeviel on Mar 5, 2018 20:43:30 GMT
Are we meant to dislike Five Star? I don't know anything about them, but according to wikipedia, they do sound reasonable.
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 5, 2018 21:13:30 GMT
Are we meant to dislike Five Star? I don't know anything about them, but according to wikipedia, they do sound reasonable. To a certain extent they are similar to PODEMOS, but generally they are nothing else than a clueless MiddleFinger to the establishment.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 5, 2018 21:22:14 GMT
Are we meant to dislike Five Star? I don't know anything about them, but according to wikipedia, they do sound reasonable. 1. They change their position constantly, because they don't have any serious principles. 2. They hold lunatic views on medical conditions. 3. It is basically a cult of Grillo, who is allowed to expel members who disagree with him without any recourse. If you look at the party's organigramme, Grillo appears to still outrank the actual leader.
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john07
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Post by john07 on Mar 5, 2018 21:52:42 GMT
Are we meant to dislike Five Star? I don't know anything about them, but according to wikipedia, they do sound reasonable. Populist, anti-EU and anti-immigrant. Lacking in any political cohesion. Is that you would call reasonable?
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