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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 20, 2018 18:07:02 GMT
Isn't that normally the point of being a victim? Better the victims than the perpetrators, which so happens to be Sinn Fein in this case. Some people will never move on. What was the point of the peace process? I think some of you hoped Sinn Fein would just disappear. It's in the past and encouragement is needed to keep it there. The Sinn Féin website sells IRA merchandise. Where’s the moving on? Or is that different? |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jan 20, 2018 18:13:00 GMT
Sinn Fein are more than capable of dredging up the past when it suits them, eg Bloody Sunday inquiry.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 20, 2018 18:46:54 GMT
]How pathetic. Some people just love being permanent victims.... quoted for the delicious irony. When you’re a kept boy in a big house looking down on the poor people, and you don’t need to worry about working hard to pay your tax bill, it’s easy to think of ways that you’re a victim. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 20, 2018 19:51:15 GMT
The UUP have proposed that a cross-community victims candidate stand here in opposition to Sinn Féin, which the Alliance Party are apparently considering but the DUP and SDLP are playing down. How pathetic. Some people just love being permanent victims.... Do you know anything about Irish history? |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 20, 2018 20:01:44 GMT
Sinn Fein are more than capable of dredging up the past when it suits them, eg Bloody Sunday inquiry. When Michelle O'Neill was first elected she spoke about how terrible the unionists were because of the British Army killing an armed IRA unit of 4 in Clonoe. She was strangely quiet about Barry McElduff's decision to mock the Kingsmills massacre until after he stood down days later, however... Now that's what vI call using your loaf |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 20, 2018 20:12:19 GMT
How pathetic. Some people just love being permanent victims.... Do you know anything about Irish history? I know less by the day. Some great stuff coming out from historians these days as they make use of the latest technology and research, unfortunately it undermines most of what I know. There were Germanic settlements with their on variation of English that only died out a century or two ago. Not plantations, guys that came in and settled in empty areas. before England existed. What was the population of Ireland in the 6-8 hundreds |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 20, 2018 20:49:54 GMT
None of the Unionist or Nationalist parties (not even the 'nice' ones) have even the slightest interest in moving on or helping society to do so, because that would be their death: there's really no other reason to vote for them as they're all frankly sh!t on all other issues. Maintenance of communal distinction is the one point of consensus in Northern Irish politics.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 20, 2018 21:24:23 GMT
None of the Unionist or Nationalist parties (not even the 'nice' ones) have even the slightest interest in moving on or helping society to do so, because that would be their death: there's really no other reason to vote for them as they're all frankly sh!t on all other issues. Maintenance of communal distinction is the one point of consensus in Northern Irish politics. Of course Provo SF/IRA Afghan Black was the best shit out as it had opium oil in it |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 20, 2018 21:31:42 GMT
None of the Unionist or Nationalist parties (not even the 'nice' ones) have even the slightest interest in moving on or helping society to do so, because that would be their death: there's really no other reason to vote for them as they're all frankly sh!t on all other issues. Maintenance of communal distinction is the one point of consensus in Northern Irish politics. Yeah but themmuns. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 20, 2018 23:29:10 GMT
quoted for the delicious irony. When you’re a kept boy in a big house looking down on the poor people, and you don’t need to worry about working hard to pay your tax bill, it’s easy to think of ways that you’re a victim. Personal insults don't really give you much credibility and you're hardly unbiased on this topic...your apparent obsession with my home life is something of a repeated issue with you. This is about the tenth similar comment you have made - unprovoked |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 21, 2018 1:06:14 GMT
When you’re a kept boy in a big house looking down on the poor people, and you don’t need to worry about working hard to pay your tax bill, it’s easy to think of ways that you’re a victim. Personal insults don't really give you much credibility and you're hardly unbiased on this topic...your apparent obsession with my home life is something of a repeated issue with you. This is about the tenth similar comment you have made - unprovoked Arty might be pulling your chain but not really a personal insult when we consider that Momentum is controlled by the Oxbridge set, Brexit by second generation immigrants, TU and Labour movement by men when the majority of members are working class women and the majority of the wc are women, one of the saddest days in my life was giving away fight racism badges and leaflets in a community I belonged to and thought I knew well, piss poor day |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 21, 2018 1:06:57 GMT
Pissed.
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Post by neilm on Jan 21, 2018 1:23:44 GMT
The UUP have proposed that a cross-community victims candidate stand here in opposition to Sinn Féin, which the Alliance Party are apparently considering but the DUP and SDLP are playing down. How pathetic. Some people just love being permanent victims.... But enough about Scousers, what about West Tyrone? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2018 11:49:54 GMT
quoted for the delicious irony. When you’re a kept boy in a big house looking down on the poor people, and you don’t need to worry about working hard to pay your tax bill, it’s easy to think of ways that you’re a victim. Personal attack- not on and totally unnecessary. Consider this a warning. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2018 11:50:49 GMT
As a general comment, we the moderators are getting fed up of threads being derailed by personal attacks and rows. It stops now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 12:04:42 GMT
It seems that the Unionist influence anywhere west of the Bann is gradually diminishing. Areas like West Tyrone are a good example of seats that are more and more likely to Nationalists/Republicans. The Unionists really shouldn't bother trying to win them now. Demographics wins any election rather than party alliances.
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 21, 2018 13:38:25 GMT
It seems that the Unionist influence anywhere west of the Bann is gradually diminishing. Areas like West Tyrone are a good example of seats that are more and more likely to Nationalists/Republicans. The Unionists really shouldn't bother trying to win them now. Demographics wins any election rather than party alliances. We will never surrender the three counties |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 21, 2018 14:00:40 GMT
It seems that the Unionist influence anywhere west of the Bann is gradually diminishing. Areas like West Tyrone are a good example of seats that are more and more likely to Nationalists/Republicans. The Unionists really shouldn't bother trying to win them now. Demographics wins any election rather than party alliances. Right yeah that totally explains why Fermanagh and South Tyrone voted unionist for the first time in 18 years in 2015. feckin blow ins |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 21, 2018 14:20:04 GMT
It seems that the Unionist influence anywhere west of the Bann is gradually diminishing. Areas like West Tyrone are a good example of seats that are more and more likely to Nationalists/Republicans. The Unionists really shouldn't bother trying to win them now. Demographics wins any election rather than party alliances. Right yeah that totally explains why Fermanagh and South Tyrone voted unionist for the first time in 18 years in 2015 Last hurrah? |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 21, 2018 14:53:07 GMT
Right yeah that totally explains why Fermanagh and South Tyrone voted unionist for the first time in 18 years in 2015 Last hurrah? Well...the unionist won but the combined nationalist vote was greater. It's a classic example of a seat where the non unionist vote used to be literally divided between SF and SDLP. Now the latter get about 2500 core votes. |
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