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Post by samuelblacketer on May 30, 2012 10:27:25 GMT
All this talk of how it's "silly to call a person an object" is itself silly. It's quite common in English to refer to people by the symbol of their office: "the suits" for the management of a company, "the bench" for Magistrates, and even "Black Rod". Yes I agree. 'The Moderator' for example when referring to a wiki editor. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 11:21:47 GMT
I love it when the Vice Chair is referred to - I always think that must be a cracking sub-committee to sit on.
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Post by Pimpernal on May 30, 2012 12:06:10 GMT
I love it when the Vice Chair is referred to - I always think that must be a cracking sub-committee to sit on. I used to enjoy being Vice Organiser until my promotion to boring plain Organiser... |
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Post by stepney on May 30, 2012 13:03:32 GMT
Have an exalt Kris, that made me laugh! Hate the new method of referring to the 'chair'. How about 'Chairman' for men and 'Chairwoman' or even 'Madam Chairman' for women? Ah. An ego puff point to "our Genial Host" for his witty joke; Conservative women are indeed addressed as "Madam Chairman", unless you want your legs bitten off. I addressed the QC at our boundary review hearing as "Madam Chairman"; she looked the type who didn't appreciate the term 'Chairman', but tough, because it's the correct one. Then, in an hour/when I can be bothered, one to our new member Blacketer, for providing an excellent in-joke. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2012 13:39:18 GMT
.. for providing an excellent in-joke. Which he got wrong. |
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Post by stepney on May 30, 2012 13:55:27 GMT
.. for providing an excellent in-joke. Which he got wrong. Close enough, David. Or Sam. Or Samuel. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2012 14:08:36 GMT
Nowhere near. It's your choice, if you want to have a thread filled with an off-topic slanging match about something which happened more than three years ago and has nothing to do with electoral politics, you can have it. I'm game. We'll see how many others get pissed off first. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 30, 2012 14:09:48 GMT
Conservative women are indeed addressed as "Madam Chairman", unless you want your legs bitten off. I once knew one who was the contrary - Chairperson (and thus I was Deputy Chairperson) or else. Who says which is and isn't correct? Is the title set down in the legislation? |
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Post by stepney on May 30, 2012 14:35:30 GMT
Nowhere near. It's your choice, if you want to have a thread filled with an off-topic slanging match about something which happened more than three years ago and has nothing to do with electoral politics, you can have it. I'm game. We'll see how many others get pissed off first. No, I've no interest in in a slanging match. We could just both concede you're a liar and a fantasist and be done with it. Don't beat yourself up about it, though, eh? Conservative women are indeed addressed as "Madam Chairman", unless you want your legs bitten off. I once knew one who was the contrary - Chairperson (and thus I was Deputy Chairperson) or else. Well, you live in West Ham, one of the safest Labour seats in the country. I imagine the malevolent PC bug has even infected the Conservative Association there. Who says which is and isn't correct? Is the title set down in the legislation?[/quote] Precedent determines the correct one. It determines that Chairman is a gender-neutral term, just as "he" is. If in doubt, see if Tories use a different term to Labourites. That usually sorts the nonsense from what's correct. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2012 14:57:14 GMT
Stepney, I'm afraid I am with DBIV (as he previously was) on this one. The "Blacketer" gags are childish, unfunny - and above all, VERY VERY OLD.
Without judging on this particular dispute, most of us have done something we are not proud of in retrospect. Just let it drop, shall we??
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2012 15:02:24 GMT
The spectacle of being attacked for writing under a pseudonym by a man writing under a pseudonym is, erm, an interesting one.
Care to give us your name, address and postcode, Stepney?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 30, 2012 15:12:11 GMT
Who says which is and isn't correct? Is the title set down in the legislation? Precedent determines the correct one. It determines that Chairman is a gender-neutral term, just as "he" is. If in doubt, see if Tories use a different term to Labourites. That usually sorts the nonsense from what's correct.[/quote] Precedent changes. Where a council uses the term 'Chair', that's the correct term. Where they use 'Chairman', that's the corrrect term. Where they use 'Chairperson', that's the correct term, even if it is a bit of a mouthful. Where people complain about the terminology, it's usually a sign of too much free time and too little in the way of usueful contributions. |
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Post by timrollpickering on May 30, 2012 15:17:14 GMT
Well, you live in West Ham, one of the safest Labour seats in the country. I imagine the malevolent PC bug has even infected the Conservative Association there. This was not in West Ham. That said the current chair-whatever of the West Ham CA is mainly of the view that any of the terms is okay. If you want a malevolent PC bug ridden Conservative Association you'll have to look elsewhere. There's a certain one in north London that has been particularly prominent in the past. I think things have moved on. "Chairwoman" was in use as early as the 17th century, showing even then it wasn't seen as a gender neutral term, and languages evolve all the time with the acceptable applications changing. "Chairperson" has now been widely used and well beyond left-wing politicos for long enough that it now has its own precedent - there's no Académie Anglais to approve or deny a word's entry into the language. (And I would never use "he" as gender neutral - "they" is the standard non-gender-specific-third-person-singular-personal-pronoun.) |
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Post by samuelblacketer on May 30, 2012 15:17:20 GMT
Nowhere near. It's your choice, if you want to have a thread filled with an off-topic slanging match about something which happened more than three years ago and has nothing to do with electoral politics, you can have it. I'm game. We'll see how many others get pissed off first. I think you have won, David. It appears as though you are pissed off already! |
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Post by samuelblacketer on May 30, 2012 15:18:58 GMT
Stepney, I'm afraid I am with DBIV (as he previously was) on this one. The "Blacketer" gags are childish, unfunny - and above all, VERY VERY OLD. Without judging on this particular dispute, most of us have done something we are not proud of in retrospect. Just let it drop, shall we?? Well indeed. You voted Labour, for example. Very much something you should not feel proud of! ;D |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2012 15:30:53 GMT
Does anyone know whether Antony Jaimes Calvert was born on 30 May 1978?
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Post by The Bishop on May 30, 2012 15:32:43 GMT
Just when we were wondering where WTB had gone........
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Post by Philip Davies on May 30, 2012 15:58:04 GMT
Does anyone know whether Antony Jaimes Calvert was born on 30 May 1978? Someone with that exact name was born in the Wakefield registration district in 1978. Without paying some money I cannot see anymore than that on findmypast.com |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 16:00:57 GMT
Trolling at its most painfully desperate. and that's me saying that...
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Post by Philip Davies on May 30, 2012 16:07:38 GMT
Why would a troll put his real birthdate in? Maybe he has put in today's date and then the actual year he was born. Or maybe he has had a lunchtime birthday drink and it has gone to his head.
A quick search of facebook shows that it is his birthday today! And my drink hunch is confirmed by a can of Pimms in a photo with a birthday card.
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