Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 16, 2018 17:27:19 GMT
The sad thing is that Kievan Rus, and later Novgorod, had a sophisticated form of government that was proto-democratic in many ways. Unfortunately the Mongol invasion, and then the rise of Muscovite despotism, put paid to that, and the effects are still to be seen today. Probably democratic, certainly not liberal, or? |
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Post by tiberius on Mar 16, 2018 18:15:35 GMT
Vladimir Zhirinovsky (Liberal Democratic Party) "Liberal" "Democratic" I'll accept that it probably is a party, though. It is the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia. But only the latter two are true - it is a Russian political party.  |
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Post by Strontium Dog on Mar 16, 2018 19:47:52 GMT
Watford run by Communists? I think you mean LibDems... Once you travel a certain distance, communists and liberals both look like specks on the same horizon. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 16, 2018 20:04:49 GMT
Yes how silly of me to forget that the Lib Dems controlled Watford council during the 1980s. This was an especially impressive feat considering they had at most two councillors at the time (and didn't even exist for most of the decade)
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Mar 16, 2018 22:31:12 GMT
Poll?  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 16, 2018 23:12:02 GMT
Yes how silly of me to forget that the Lib Dems controlled Watford council during the 1980s. This was an especially impressive feat considering they had at most two councillors at the time (and didn't even exist for most of the decade) Presumably they used the Labour Party as a front. I believe this is back in fashion. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 16, 2018 23:30:34 GMT
I suppose for completeness sake, we should list the 'candidates': Sergey Baburin (Russian All-People's Union) Pavel Grudinin (Communist Party) Vladimir Zhirinovsky (Liberal Democratic Party) Vladimir Putin (Independent) Ksenia Sobchak (Civic Initiative) Maxim Suraykin (Communists of Russia) Boris Titov (Party of Growth) Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko) Oh look, a fellow Independent! Not sure I want to be in the same technical group as him though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 23:37:10 GMT
Poll? Why? We all know it’s going to be a Yabloko landslide😉 |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 16, 2018 23:38:02 GMT
Of course, the Mongols famously ended the invasion in order to go back to Mongolia and elect a new Great Khan. The first and last successful example of going back to one's constituency and preparing for government. reminds me of the Britons in Asterix, who stopped fighting the Romans so that they could make a cup of tea. Wasn't it for a cup of hot water? Didn't tea arrive at the end of the story? Good book. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Mar 17, 2018 0:42:26 GMT
reminds me of the Britons in Asterix, who stopped fighting the Romans so that they could make a cup of tea. Wasn't it for a cup of hot water? Didn't tea arrive at the end of the story? Good book. I believe Goscinny and Uderzo were initially reluctant to release the album in the UK, they were worried that the comic's take on British stereotypes or something might cause offense. I also believe that Asterix in Britain is one of the more popular Asterix albums in the UK. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 17, 2018 9:05:14 GMT
Wasn't it for a cup of hot water? Didn't tea arrive at the end of the story? Good book. I believe Goscinny and Uderzo were initially reluctant to release the album in the UK, they were worried that the comic's take on British stereotypes or something might cause offense. I also believe that Asterix in Britain is one of the more popular Asterix albums in the UK. I think they underestimated the British appetite for having fun poked at us in a good-natured way. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 17, 2018 12:48:21 GMT
I might do one later, however, in the best spirit of the Russian elections, I'll not bother with the voting and just put the results up. OK? |
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Post by johng on Mar 17, 2018 13:13:53 GMT
I might do one later, however, in the best spirit of the Russian elections, I'll not bother with the voting and just put the results up. OK? A prediction competition wouldn't go amiss for both Putin's total and turnout. It was a difficult choice for me. I voted for Yabloko with some hesitation. And who's the idiot who voted for Zhirinovsky!? He's a cross between Hitler and Boris Johnson! |
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 17, 2018 13:44:17 GMT
I might do one later, however, in the best spirit of the Russian elections, I'll not bother with the voting and just put the results up. OK? As Comrade Stalin used to say: 'The people who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do.' |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 17, 2018 15:05:56 GMT
I might do one later, however, in the best spirit of the Russian elections, I'll not bother with the voting and just put the results up. OK? But while it's easy to joke - Putin is popular in Russia. They like a strongman and the dalliance with vodka-driven liberal democracy with Yeltsin put them off that rather odd idea. |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 17, 2018 17:33:47 GMT
If I was Russian, I would genuinely vote for Putin. No intimidation needed.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 17, 2018 18:03:45 GMT
If I was Russian, I would genuinely vote for Putin. No intimidation needed. I doubt anyone has fallen off their chair in shock at the above quoted post.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 17, 2018 18:44:04 GMT
I might do one later, however, in the best spirit of the Russian elections, I'll not bother with the voting and just put the results up. OK? But while it's easy to joke - Putin is popular in Russia. They like a strongman and the dalliance with vodka-driven liberal democracy with Yeltsin put them off that rather odd idea. The irony of course is that without Yeltsin there is no Putin, and until the bombings in 1999, Putin was regarded as another Yeltsin placeman who would sit in the Bely dom for about six months before the next joker appeared. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 17, 2018 20:31:40 GMT
Boris Yelstin *won* with *35%*  Russia has two Communist parties? Or possibly more than two? Splitters! The 2000 election was the only one that's ever gone to a second round runoff (I'd quoted the first round result). In the second round, Yeltsin beat Gennady Zyuganov from the Communist Party 54/41 (with 5% 'none of the above'). The Communist Party is the continuity/successor to the USSR's communist party. The 'Communists of Russia' were established in 2012 for people who thought the Community Party had drifted too far from its Marxist core. Communist Party not left wing enough? |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 17, 2018 21:22:59 GMT
If I was Russian, I would genuinely vote for Putin. No intimidation needed. I doubt anyone has fallen off their chair in shock at the above quoted post. Oh you will be falling off your chairs. Just not of shock... |
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