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Post by Penddu on Dec 8, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
Yes - I forgot him - another possibility but again not likely to enthuse the electorate
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 8, 2017 19:35:26 GMT
If they went for someone who would get on better with Jeremy Corbyn then Mark Drakeford
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 8, 2017 21:37:54 GMT
This could do with its own thread, but when Carwyn goes there will be a leadership contest and:
1. A woman will stand. I can’t see any credible alternative to Eluned Morgan. Others may stand, possibly as a marker to the future, but she will stand.
2. The left will put up a candidate: names mentioned are: John Griffiths,Mike Hedges, Mick Antoniw and Mark Drakeford. The later is the most credible, but only if he wants it as I would have thought he might fancy retirement post 2021.
3. The mainstream/favoured successors: Alun Davies (utter twat forced to resign in disgrace),Huw Irranca former UK minster and current Welsh Govt Minister (credible), Vaughan Gething (highly rated, very credible) and Ken Skates (the other highly rated one, rumoured to be Carwyn’s chosen one)
Personally I think Ken is about to fuck up the rail system in Wales so much that he will be seen to be seen to be incompetent in 12 months time but that’s my opinion. Vaughan who is the health minister is doing a better job and having a much easier ride.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Dec 8, 2017 21:40:58 GMT
If they went for someone who would get on better with Jeremy Corbyn then Mark Drakeford Were that to happen, that would be the second time that Cardiff West has been the seat of the FM. Of course I'm pretty sure that most people would probably not notice, but still... |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 8, 2017 22:39:34 GMT
He's a very well respected academic. Social policy and applied sociology. Safe pair of hands - supported Jeremy for the leadership
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 22:58:58 GMT
Is he doing a better job? Alli hear about is the nhs waiting times which are higher than in England or so i hear
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 23:40:51 GMT
as opposed to did not support Jeremy for leader?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 9:48:12 GMT
and this is why I don't take to twitter to tell people who i voted for
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 9, 2017 11:38:32 GMT
as opposed to did not support Jeremy for leader? Neither are relevant when weighing up who would be a good FM. I get people will have factional biases when voting in internal elections, but the amount of people who write on twitter ‘I’m backing the momentum slate as they have been loyal to Jeremy from the start’ is a bit annoying. Talk about [the candidates] policy positions, talk about their experience, talk about anything but how low they have stooped to kiss JC’s feet. Some on the anti-Corbyn side are just as bad for this, mind..... |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 9, 2017 13:53:33 GMT
supported Jeremy for the leadership can we stop stating this as if it is a qualification please. I don't want someone who will use the position as a rival internal power base. Or allow themselves to be used in that role |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 9, 2017 13:55:48 GMT
Is he doing a better job? Alli hear about is the nhs waiting times which are higher than in England or so i hear He doesnt hold the health role now. The Welsh assembly have different priorities in terms of primary care rather than secondary. So much is judged in terms of hospitals. The aim for a health rather than an illness service should be to minimise the need for them |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:17:58 GMT
Is primary and secondary care commisioned in the same manner as it is in England? I assume there is an alternative to the commissioning boards in NHS England but are there local CCGs or is the old Primary Care Trust model still operated in Wales?
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 9, 2017 14:34:00 GMT
www.wales.nhs.uk/nhswalesaboutus/structureNeither....there was some restructuring as identified but the main difference is greater prioritising if social care and primary care Wales started from a position where it lagged behind anyway which is sometimes a problem with devolution - poor areas can quite easily become poorer particularly where funding is allocated and fixed
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 9, 2017 14:55:28 GMT
GB-wide factional issues won't be a non-factor when the time comes, but won't be the only factor. Quite probably won't even be the main factor, Welsh Labour being Welsh Labour. Worth noting that the system used will be the three-part electoral college; this was voted on and confirmed recently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 15:14:09 GMT
That's interesting as social care in England is commissioned by 3 different bodies. Mental Health services are commissioned alongside secondary care, specialist care is commissioned alongside primary care and social care is commissioned by local government bit works alongside mental health services.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Dec 9, 2017 23:21:50 GMT
Carl Sargeant's son has announced his intentions to stand to succeed his father - BBC News |
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Post by Penddu on Dec 13, 2017 9:30:00 GMT
Not sure if this is a good thing or not - TBH he is too young and inexperienced - but if Labour dont select him and he chooses to stand as an independent then this could get very messy.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 13, 2017 9:47:19 GMT
Not sure if this is a good thing or not - TBH he is too young and inexperienced - but if Labour dont select him and he chooses to stand as an independent then this could get very messy. He is grieving his Dad's suicide, and is only young. I hope his family or friends will talk him out of it. |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 14, 2017 0:05:07 GMT
Not sure if this is a good thing or not - TBH he is too young and inexperienced - but if Labour dont select him and he chooses to stand as an independent then this could get very messy. He is grieving his Dad's suicide, and is only young. I hope his family or friends will talk him out of it. I take the point. But why not have a young man from the area in the Assembly? Very few young people there at the moment. I don't know if he would do a good job but being young shouldn't discount him. Charles Kennedy was elected at 23 and he was a paper candidate in the middle of his PhD research and based in the USA. He came back to win the seat he had been brought up in. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 14, 2017 0:52:23 GMT
He is grieving his Dad's suicide, and is only young. I hope his family or friends will talk him out of it. I take the point. But why not have a young man from the area in the Assembly? Very few young people there at the moment. I don't know if he would do a good job but being young shouldn't discount him. Charles Kennedy was elected at 23 and he was a paper candidate in the middle of his PhD research and based in the USA. He came back to win the seat he had been brought up in. My point was about grief being exacerbated by age. On your latter point, I am not sure that Charles Kennedy's life being all about Westminster politics was necessarily the best thing for him |
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