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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 2, 2019 20:11:23 GMT
Something I missed- Jean-Marie Le Pen has endorsed Marine. Given recent bad blood, a bit surprising. He only made mention of her new protege Bardella, though.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on May 2, 2019 20:13:05 GMT
The Netherlands -electing 26 MEPs with an extra 3 upon Brexit. 2014 result: | D66 | (ALDE) | 15.5% | 4 seats | | CDA | (EPP) | 15.2% | 5 seats* | | PVV | (ENF) | 13.3% | 4 seats | | VVD | (ALDE) | 12.0% | 3 seats | | SP | (GUE-NGL) | 9.6% | 2 seats | | PvdA | (S&D) | 9.4% | 3 seats^ | | CU-SGP | (ECR) | 7.7% | 2 seats | | GL | (G-EFA) | 7.0% | 2 seats | | PvdD | (GUE-NGL) | 4.2 | 1 seat |
* extra seat due to electoral alliance with CU-SGP ^ extra seat due to electoral alliance with GL This year there's a new lot of populists in terms of VfD (Forum for Democracy), who have really stolen PVV's thunder and the polls have themcoming second and picking up 4-5 seats. VVD are polling just ahead a should also increase to 5 seats. The only other party looking like gaining seats is GL. All the others look losing seats or standing still and PvdD might miss out altogether.
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wallington
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Post by wallington on May 2, 2019 20:17:41 GMT
That quiz really narrowed things down:  A tough one, considering where you live, go for the DUP or SNP  |
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Post by Jack on May 2, 2019 20:52:07 GMT
That quiz really narrowed things down: A tough one, considering where you live, go for the DUP or SNP I couldn't decide between the Scottish Greens and the Greens. |
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Post by Toylyyev on May 2, 2019 20:53:11 GMT
euandi2019.eu/12 points Malta S&D Labour Party
10 points Slovenia EPP Nova Slovenija - Krščanski demokrati
8 points Estonia None Elurikkuse Erakond
7 points Belgium ALDE Mouvement Réformateur
6 points Denmark ALDE Radikale Venstre
5 points United Kingdom S&D Labour Party
4 points Cyprus S&D Δημοκρατικό Κόμμα (Dimokratikó Kómma)
3 points Slovakia EPP Koalícia Progresívne Slovensko a SPOLU - občianska demokracia
2 points Croatia None Most nezavisnih lista
1 point Finland ALDE Svenska folkpartiet Added together with the other survey Slovenia comes on top with 22 points, followed by Estonia with 16 points, and Malta with 12. The test also has different party scores on the "Show without grouping by country" page, at least for me. 12 points Estonia None Elurikkuse Erakond
10 points Malta S&D Partit Laburista
8 points Belgium ALDE Mouvement Réformateur
7 points Slovenia EPP Slovenska ljudska stranka
6 points Malta EPP Partit Nazzjonalista
5 points United Kingdom S&D Labour Party
4 points Slovenia EPP Nova Slovenija - Krščanski demokrati
3 points Malta ALDE Partit Demokratiku
2 points Denmark ALDE Radikale Venstre
1 point United Kingdom Greens/EFA Plaid Cymru |
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wallington
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Post by wallington on May 2, 2019 20:54:39 GMT
A tough one, considering where you live, go for the DUP or SNP I couldn't decide between the Scottish Greens and the Greens. The same dilemma that's given me sleepness nights, who knew we were kindred spirits. |
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Post by mrpastelito on May 2, 2019 21:04:40 GMT
That quiz really narrowed things down:
No wonder the Chuckers are getting nowhere. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 6, 2019 13:43:59 GMT
Poll for Austria by OGM (our best one):  So quasi no change since the last FederalElection in fall 2017 (the GREENS absorbed PILZ). Strongly caused, because FPÖ is profitting presently from a mood of all-against-FPÖ. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 6, 2019 14:12:11 GMT
That quiz really narrowed things down: No wonder the Chuckers are getting nowhere. The Chuckers only one of two that are lower than the Chuckies. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 6, 2019 18:42:08 GMT
No wonder the Chuckers are getting nowhere. The Chuckers only one of two that are lower than the Chuckies. I have had another go at that quiz to see where I shape up against our existing MEPs and where I have least and most connection. If we start at the bottom I find amazingly that I can find zero connection with MSP of Hungary 0% Popular Unity of Greece 0% ERdeC of Spain 3% LR of Poland 4% Greens of UK 4% Then our own MEPs as follows as my personal match Keith Taylor Green 4% Alex Mayer LAB 10% Molly Scott Cato Green 11% Jean Lambert Green 11% Jill Evans PC 11% That is the first batch of 5 and I am surprised the figures are quite so low and that Molly Scott Cato is not at the head of the list on Zero! |
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Post by carlton43 on May 7, 2019 10:03:25 GMT
Another batch of low matches for me from that Quiz.
Clare Moody Labour 16%
David Martin Labour 16%
Mary Honeyball Labour 19%
Seb Danne Labour 19%
Derek Vaughn Labour 19%
Julie Ward Labour 19%
Lucy Anderson Labour 19%
Neena Gill Labour 20%
Paul Brannen Labour 20%
Theresa Griffin Labour 20%
Catherine Stihler Labour 21%
Richard Corbett Labour 22%
Jude Kirton-Darling Labour 24%
Linda Mcaven Labour 25%
That is all of British Labour, Greens and PC done and all with a match within only a quarter of contact points. I am truly surprised to find it is that stark a disjunct.
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Post by carlton43 on May 7, 2019 10:30:13 GMT
Now the next batch of where I am positioned against our MEPs.
Alyn Smith SNP 26%
Ian Hudghton SNP 31%
Catherine Bearder LD 37%
Quite a shift there after the close grouping of the Labour MEPs all in the 20s. Suddenly I am getting much more points of contact with SNP and LD, but still lowish. Then a big upwards shift in mindset takes us to
Martina Anderson SF 53%
Diane James Ind (former UKIP) 58%
(I am surprised that my match with her is so low!)
Julie Girling Con 60%
Richard Ashworth Con 63%
John Stewart Agnew Con 67%
Tim Aker UKIP? 67%
(that seems low to me so probably not my 'wing'?)
David Coburn UKIP? 67%
(met him and not my sort at all!)
Patrick O'Flynn UKIP? 69%
Julia Reed UKIP? 69%
James Carver Ind (ex-UKIP) 70%
Jonathan Arnott Brexit 70%
Mike Hookem UKIP 71%
Gerard Batten UKIP 71%
Bill Etheridge UKIP 73%
Margot Parker UKIP 74%
Raymond Finch UKIP 74%
Deep through UKIP/Brexit and yet still not even a 75% match for me!
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Post by edgbaston on May 7, 2019 12:57:06 GMT
I don’t think a high match is to be sought out Carlton. A critical person will be unique. The opposite of the sorts climbing their way through the Conservative and Labour parties who take an ideology off the shelf with talking points to boot. If you can predict what a person will say what’s the value in them?
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Post by carlton43 on May 7, 2019 13:04:44 GMT
And the last batch of my matches to our MEPs.
Diana Dodds DUP 75%
William Dartmouth UKIP 77%
Kay Swinburn Con 78%
Jane Collins UKIP 78%
Janice Atkinson UKIP 78%
Anthea Mcintyre Con 78%
Daniel Dalton Con 78%
James Nicholson UU 79%
Charles Tannock Con 79%
Nirj Deva Con 82%
Emma Mcclarkin Con 82%
Amjad Bashir Con 82%
Jacqueline Foster Con 83%
David Campbell-Bannerman Con 83%
Ashley Fox Con 84%
Steven Woolfe Ind 85%
Geoffrey van Orden Con 86%
John Proctor Con 95%
So there we have it I am a very close match to John Proctor MEP and to most Conservatives and much less to most of UKIP, and my weakest match is to Keith Taylor Green at an amazing 4%!
There is just one MEP with a total match to me Jorn Dohrmann of the Danish People's Party at 100% match! Just him.
And I like the look of Ulrike Trebesius of AfD on a 92% match as a person and I warrant a probable 100% match by party? How I crave a British equivalent of the AfD. I wonder if we might just be able to steal Brexit off Farage and meld it into AfUK? Perhaps AfGB might cause less chance of jocular amendment?
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Post by carlton43 on May 7, 2019 13:16:22 GMT
I don’t think a high match is to be sought out Carlton. A critical person will be unique. The opposite of the sorts climbing their way through the Conservative and Labour parties who take an ideology off the shelf with talking points to boot. If you can predict what a person will say what’s the value in them? Thank you for the interaction old friend. I like the thought of there being MPs and MEPs who are a very close match to my own views for the obvious reason that they will attempt to do and to shift matters exactly as I would do myself. And as my own views are very much not 'off-the shelf' from any party but a particular mindset and taken from a particular world view, they do not fall into the trap you correctly identify. I think there are similarities in our own mindsets and to a lesser extent to our world view, but they lead (at present) to us leaning towards divergent routes and different parties to achieve those objectives. I think that by my age you will be significantly closer to my position for the same reasons. Just a thought for you to ponder in a few decades whilst sipping from your hip flask and leaning on my mossy tomb! |
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Post by clyde1998 on May 7, 2019 15:03:28 GMT
With this one I got: 80% - Scottish Greens 73% - Liberal Democrats 73% - Plaid Cymru 70% - SDLP 69% - SNP 68% - Change UK 68% - Labour 66% - Greens 66% - Sinn Fein 51% - Ulster Unionists 47% - Conservative 45% - Democratic Unionists 31% - Brexit Party 26% - UKIP With European parties: 12 points Cyprus Grn/EFA Citizens' Alliance-Movement of Ecologists
10 points Germany GUE/NGL Human Environment Animal Protection
8 points Ireland Grn/EFA Green Party
7 points Estonia Grn/EFA Estonian Greens
6 points Spain ALDE(?) Coalition for a Solidary Europe
5 points Slovenia S&D Social Democrats
4 points Utd Kingdom Grn/EFA Scottish Green Party
3 points Belgium S&D Socialist Party Differently
2 points Finland Grn/EFA Green League
1 point Poland S&D Left Together |
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johng
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Post by johng on May 7, 2019 15:30:11 GMT
With that survey, I got:
Liberal Democrats
81%
Plaid Cymru
78%
Labour
74%
Scottish Greens
69%
SDLP
69%
Change UK
67%
SNP
64%
Green Party
63%
Conservatives
61%
Ulster Unionist Party
61%
Democratic Unionist Party
56%
Sinn Fein
56%
Brexit Party
50%
UKIP
48%
I'm still undecided on who to vote for at the moment.
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Post by carlton43 on May 7, 2019 15:35:44 GMT
With euandi I got
SF 30%
ScGn 30%
Green 32%
SNP 33%
LD 34%
PC 38%
Lab 41%
CHUK 45%
UU 51%
DUP 65%
Con 74%
UKIP 87%
BREXIT 88%
That looks fair and accurate to me and shows the correct divergence with the Conservatives because of my strong euroscepticism and ultra-Brxit stance. I am quietly pleased at the 1% advantage of Brxit Party over UKIP. That means quite a lot small though it it.
I think AfD would be in the upper 90s for me. I don't think any of the British parties reflect my views on immigration and nationality programmes. We need a new party in Britain made in my image and it would gain a significant segment if run by a literate, cultivated well-spoken front man. Image would be very important. The steel hand in a well made glove!
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on May 7, 2019 20:03:58 GMT
BelgiumBelgium will elect 21 MEPs whatever happens with Brexit. 2014 Results: | N-VA | (G-EFA)* | 16.9%/26.7% of Flemish vote | 4 seats | | OPEN VLD | (ALDE) | 12.9%/20.4% of Flemish | 3 seats | | CD&V | (EPP) | 12.6%/ 20.0%of Flemish | 2 seats | | PS | (S&D) | 10.7%/ 29.3 of French | 3 seats | | MR | (ALDE) | 9.9%/ 27.1% of French | 3 seats | | SP.A | (S&D) | 8.3%/13.2% of Flemish | 1 seat | | GROEN | (G-EFA) | 6.7%/ 10.6% of Flemish | 1 seat | | VB | (ENF) | 4.3%/ 6.8% of Flemish | 1 seat | | ECOLO | (G-EFA) | 4.3%/ 11.7% of French | 1 seat | | CDH | (EPP) | 4.2%/ 11.4% of French | 1 seat | | CSP | (EPP) | 0.2%/ 30.3% Of German | 1 seat |
* N-VA moved to ECR following the election. The system remains the same this year, with 12 seats for the Flemish electorate, 8 for the French speaking and 1 for the German speaking. Polling would indicate both Groen and Ecolo getting an extra seat each with PTB (Francophone Worker's Party - GUE-NGL) making an appearence with 1 seat, at the expense of OPEN VLD, PS and MR who would all lose 1. THese elections will also take place on the same day as the Belgian federal elections.
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on May 8, 2019 12:24:21 GMT
Czech RepublicLike Belgium and several others, the Czech REpublic will elect 21 MEPs regardless of Brexit 2014 Result: | ANO 2011 | (ALDE) | 16.1% | 4 seats | | TOP 09/STAN* | (EPP) | 16.0% | 4 seats (3+1) | | CSSD (Social Democrats) | (S&D) | 14.2% | 4 seats | | KSCM (Communists of Bohemia & Moravia) | (GUE-NGL) | 11.0% | 3 seats | | KDU-CSL (Christian Democrats) | (EPP) | 10.0% | 3 seats | | ODS (Civic Democratic Party) | (ECR) | 7.7% | 2 seats | | Svobodni (Party of Free Citizens) | (EFDD) | 5.2% | 1 seat | | Pirati | (none) | 4.8% | 0 seats |
* STAN - Alliance of Independents and Mayors This time round SZ (Greens, 3.8% last time) have joined the alliance with TOP 09/STAN. The Pirates look certain to make a breakthrough (one poll even had them in the lead) gaining 2-4 seats. ANO look to increase vote share and seats, as ODS (Both could perhaps even double representation) and hard euro-sceptics SPD (ENF) look to get at least one seat. That of course means that the others will lose seats - Svobodni and KDU-CSL look like missing out altogether, although the latter may just sneak in.
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