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Post by john07 on Oct 6, 2017 1:12:13 GMT
Or maybe the creation of Merseyside gave an identity to a group who felt part of the orbit of Liverpool but not of Liverpool itself. I know a few people who actually say they're from Merseyside. Yes I have a friend from Knowsley at Oxford who identifies with Merseyside. You don’t get this with other metropolitan counties like Tyne & Wear. Very true. I know plenty of people from Tyne and Wear and none identify as being from Merseyside. |
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Post by jigger on Oct 6, 2017 1:13:34 GMT
Or maybe the creation of Merseyside gave an identity to a group who felt part of the orbit of Liverpool but not of Liverpool itself. I know a few people who actually say they're from Merseyside. Yes I have a friend from Knowsley at Oxford who identifies with Merseyside. You don’t get this with other metropolitan counties like Tyne & Wear. A person from Knowsley got into Oxford  ? It must have been Oxford Brookes. |
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Post by jigger on Oct 6, 2017 1:17:26 GMT
You made the right choice. Absolutely. I went to university in the north and decided then that I didn't want to go back south. Did have to suffer 15 months of Essex but made it back north and been there ever since. I've never lived further south than Loughborough - and then only for 4 years - otherwise I've always lived in Merseyside (and I have no intention of living permanently anywhere else). Whilst I found Loughborough to be perfectly pleasant and got on well with the people there, it just wasn't the same as Formby or Kirkby (where I now live). In my opinion, the friendliness, welcoming attitude and sense of community around here makes it the nicest place to live in England and certainly when compared to the incredibly dour and supercilious South of England. Any English person who hasn't been to Merseyside is certainly missing out greatly, as we're much more friendly and understanding than in other areas of England. It's not fair this unfortunate reputation we have amongst some other English people of being criminals/scum of the earth - it's not at all true and it makes my blood boil how badly we get portrayed sometimes - a total disgrace. |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 6, 2017 1:45:48 GMT
What's this 'we', you're from Formby! Plastic scouser at best... It's interesting that you say that actually. Because my parents, particularly my father, - born in 1934 and 1955 respectively - who have lived in Formby all their lives strongly dislike being associated with Liverpool in any way - they don't regard themselves as having anything really in common with the city. On the other hand, my school year (born 1979-1980) feel a much closer connection with Liverpool and when I'm asked from outside of Merseyside where I'm from, I always say Liverpool. However, my parents would say, without any hesitation, that they were from Lancashire. It's just very interesting how there is that generational divide with regards to identity - maybe that's got something to do with the collapse of the Conservative Party round here, people feeling more Scouse and less Lancastrian. It's quite a common thing though to 'appropriate' your near neighbour for where you're from, even when there's no new county that connects you (for example it happens a lot down here with people from Fareham, Havant, Gosport etc saying they're from Portsmouth). As much as anything I think it's because places like that are much more like outer suburbs and connected to the big cities (including gaps of previous countryside being filled in). As for me (same school year btw), despite having moved away when I was six I only use Liverpool as a reference point for explanation if necessary (i.e. 'It's the other side of the Mersey from Liverpool') as to where I'm from and always start off by saying I'm from the Wirral. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 1:59:45 GMT
A person from Knowsley got into Oxford ? It must have been Oxford Brookes. I'm personally very happy to hear that someone from Knowsley is at Oxford. There are a lot of schools/areas where because there is no history of people going to the top unis students who would get in end up thinking it is out of reach. Went to the Blue Coat school. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 6, 2017 7:15:49 GMT
Good to see my old friend Hertsmere electoral services still on top form. Their idea of giving a 'result' on Twitter being to name the winning candidate and give his vote only with none of the votes for other candidates.
And then to get that number wrong
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Post by albion on Oct 6, 2017 7:35:52 GMT
A person from Knowsley got into Oxford ? It must have been Oxford Brookes. I'm personally very happy to hear that someone from Knowsley is at Oxford. There are a lot of schools/areas where because there is no history of people going to the top unis students who would get in end up thinking it is out of reach. True everywhere. On the other hand, if you know the ropes and are expected to consider Oxbridge your chances are much enhanced. I knew one family where all 5 kids went - 2 of the girls to Trinity Hall, Cambridge, another to Somerville and the 2 brothers to other colleges - and they came from an ordinary family and state schools (albeit selective). The younger ones definitely benefited from their older sisters having blazed the trail. This was in the 70s. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 6, 2017 7:55:18 GMT
Warwick, Stoneleigh & Cubbington - Conservative hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | Conservative | 502 | 52.6% | +13.0% | +12.0% | Labour | 311 | 32.6% | +15.1% | +16.9% | Liberal Democrat | 113 | 11.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 29 | -7.9% | -10.3% | -7.9% | Independent |
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| -29.6% | -32.8% | Total votes | 955 |
| 27% | 30% |
Swing, if entirely meaningful, Conservative to Labour 1% / 2½% since 2015 Council now 31 Conservative, 9 Labour, 3 Residents, 2 Liberal Democrat Did you leave out the Green on purpose?  |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 6, 2017 8:03:17 GMT
Delighted by the Mash Burn result.
For no other reason than to put it out there (and a streak of devilment), the ElectoralCalculus guess for Mash Barn in the General Election, with last night's result in brackets:
Lab: 45.16% (49.3%)
Con: 37.44% (38.6%)
UKIP: 7.88%
LibD: 7.08% (9.0%)
Grn: 1.08% (3.1%)
Oth:. 1.36%
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 8:03:20 GMT
Went to the Blue Coat school. Well that rather ruins the story... 😅 There are no sixth forms in Knowsley. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 8:03:51 GMT
Delighted by the Mash Burn result. For no other reason than to it it out there (and a streak of devilment), the ElectoralCalculus guess for Mash Barn in the General Election, with last night's result in brackets: Lab: 45.16% (49.3%) Con: 37.44% (38.6%) UKIP: 7.88% LibD: 7.08% (9.0%) Grn: 1.08% (3.1%) Oth:. 1.36% Electoral Calculus getting it right for once! |
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Post by middleenglander on Oct 6, 2017 8:10:51 GMT
Warwick, Stoneleigh & Cubbington - Conservative hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | Conservative | 502 | 52.6% | +13.0% | +12.0% | Labour | 311 | 32.6% | +15.1% | +16.9% | Liberal Democrat | 113 | 11.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 29 | -7.9% | -10.3% | -7.9% | Independent |
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| -29.6% | -32.8% | Total votes | 955 |
| 27% | 30% |
Swing, if entirely meaningful, Conservative to Labour 1% / 2½% since 2015 Council now 31 Conservative, 9 Labour, 3 Residents, 2 Liberal Democrat Did you leave out the Green on purpose? It is an uncharitable view that I would make a mistake on purpose!! Posting at a quarter to two in the morning is the prime reason. Now corrected. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 6, 2017 8:18:08 GMT
Did you leave out the Green on purpose? It is an uncharitable view that I would make a mistake on purpose!! Posting at a quarter to two in the morning is the prime reason. Now corrected. I was only teasing (hence the smiley). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 6, 2017 9:46:19 GMT
While we're waiting for St Germains, here are some interesting tweets from someone who appears to be a local Conservative supporter.
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 6, 2017 9:53:12 GMT
While we're waiting for St Germains, here are some interesting tweets from someone who appears to be a local Conservative supporter. Interesting set of tweets that should perhaps be publicised more widely in Redcar! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 10:05:03 GMT
Interesting to hear the phrase 'the Brighton-Worthing conurbation'. Brighton & Hove is ubiquitous obviously, especially since the two merged administratively in the 90s, but 'Brighton-Worthing' is new to me. I do think that it will become an umbrella term as the demographic drifts and psephological shifts take hold in the Worthing seats.
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Post by mrhell on Oct 6, 2017 10:07:09 GMT
St Germains
Debbie Dowson (Lib Dem): 661
Vic Jeffries (Ind): 225
Labour : 368
John Lambért (Ind): 261
Green: 31
Tory: 174
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 6, 2017 10:28:11 GMT
Interesting to hear the phrase 'the Brighton-Worthing conurbation'. Brighton & Hove is ubiquitous obviously, especially since the two merged administratively in the 90s, but 'Brighton-Worthing' is new to me. I do think that it will become an umbrella term as the demographic drifts and psephological shifts take hold in the Worthing seats.  |
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 6, 2017 10:30:33 GMT
Interesting to hear the phrase 'the Brighton-Worthing conurbation'. Brighton & Hove is ubiquitous obviously, especially since the two merged administratively in the 90s, but 'Brighton-Worthing' is new to me. I do think that it will become an umbrella term as the demographic drifts and psephological shifts take hold in the Worthing seats. My trusty government "population of urban areas" spreadsheet, based on 2001 census (they didn't unfortunately update for 2011), already shows this as one conurbation. Shoreham is contiguous with Hove, and the gaps between Shoreham and Lancing, and Lancing and Worthing are considered too small to establish separate urban areas. The same thing happens with Southend, where Benfleet, Rayleigh, Hockley, and Rochford are all considered part of the urban area (but not Canvey). Ditto Portsmouth, Fareham etc. |
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Post by middleenglander on Oct 6, 2017 10:33:25 GMT
Adur, Mash Barn - Labour gain from UKIP| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2016 | since 2014 "top" | since 2014 "average" | since 2012 | since 2010 | | Labour | 490 | 49.3% | +29.7% | +35.2% | +34.3% | +27.1% | from nowhere | Conservative | 384 | 38.6% | +16.1% | +17.0% | +17.8% | +4.3% | -1.8% | Liberal Democrat | 89 | 9.0% | -6.6% | -14.5% | -14.0% | -10.3% | -32.9% | Green | 31 | 3.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | UKIP |
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| -42.3% | -40.8% | -41.2% | -24.2% | -17.6% | Total votes | 994 |
| 111% | 88% | 93% | 127% | 51% |
Swing not meaningful Council now 16 Conservative, 6 UKIP, 4 Labour, 3 Independent Cheshire East, Crewe East - Labour hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | Labour | 1,174 | 60.7% | +14.8% | +15.2% | -1.0% | +0.1% | Conservative | 542 | 28.0% | +6.2% | +6.4% | -0.3% | -0.8% | UKIP | 158 | 8.2% | -14.7% | -14.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 59 | 3.1% | -6.4% | -7.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Liberal Democrat |
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| -10.0% | -10.5% | Total votes | 1,933 |
| 32% | 36% | 56% | 59% |
Swing Conservative to Labour ~ 4½% if particularly meaningful since 2015 although little change since 2011 Council now 50 Conservative, 16 Labour, 13 Independent / Localists, 2 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent Conservative Hertsmere, Borehamwood Kenilworth - Labour gain from Conservative| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2014 | since 2011 | since 2010 | Labour | 383 | 37.8% | -9.1% | -8.5% | -2.0% | -19.0% | -10.9% | Conservative | 341 | 33.7% | -19.4% | -20.0% | +1.2% | -9.5% | -17.7% | Liberal Democrat | 144 | 14.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Independent | 91 | 9.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | UKIP | 54 | 5.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | -22.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere
| Total votes | 1,013 |
| 39% | 41% | 68% | 67% | 41% |
Swing Conservative to Labour ~ 5½% since 2015 and ~ 3½% since 2010 but Labour to Conservative ~ 1½% since 2014 and ~ 5% since 2011 Council now 35 Conservative, 3 Labour, 1 Independent Hinckley & Bosworth, Burbage Sketchley & Stretton - Conservative hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | Conservative | 822 | 39.0% | -4.6% | -3.8% | -3.9% | -3.0% | Liberal Democrat | 785 | 37.3% | +8.3% | +8.1% | -7.2% | -8.3% | Labour | 321 | 15.2% | +2.0% | +2.2% | +2.7% | +2.9% | UKIP | 120 | 5.7% | -8.5% | -9.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Independent | 57 | 2.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Total votes | 2,105 |
| 40% | 42% | 64% | 67% |
Swing Conservative to Liberal Democrat 6% / 6½% since 2015 but Liberal Democrat to Conservative ~ 1½% / 2½% since 2011
Council now 21 Conservative, 12 Liberal Democrat, 1 Labour
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? It must have been Oxford Brookes.
