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Post by carlton43 on Feb 12, 2023 20:17:32 GMT
Are you sure that republishing mere allegations is either sensible or safe for this forum? There is no problem posting what are, at this stage, allegations in a national newspaper that will have been through the legal rinser. If you say so M'Lud I shall never raise such issue again. You have more faith in the contemporary press than do I.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 11, 2023 21:11:57 GMT
A whole new set of Warburton allegations: Are you sure that republishing mere allegations is either sensible or safe for this forum?
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 22:48:43 GMT
This must rate as one of the most boring by elections of recent times, along with Airdrie and Sleaford. I missed Aidrie & Sleaford. Enormous constituency.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 22:27:05 GMT
These slow but positive trends are quite an interesting concept whose reality is extremely hard to locate. I think perhaps the gentleman has come to life after a solitary good Conservative by-election result. The polls are certainly not going in the right direction for the Conservatives. Of course we would expect some Conservative recovery between now & the election given quite how incredibly dire the polls are for them, but quite where the idea of the Conservatives having any sort of lead comes from eludes me & I suspect most others involved in watching political developments. Watch this space. By the by, I am not a member and I shall not be voting for them. It is not a wish fulfilment.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 16:09:36 GMT
No. I am entirely correct. I know that area well. That was entirely a vote for her 'despite the noxious branding'! Well, I’m just a few miles down the road in Leyburn. In the pub last night it’s more about ‘anyone but the bloody Tories’ than any ‘noxious branding’ &/or personal vote. Sunak used to be popular locally, a lot less so now. Dear Chap! Don't take it to heart. A little light badinage. Relax! Enjoy! You are winning for once. It doesn't happen often.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 12:51:18 GMT
Dartford (Wilmington, Sutton-at-Hone & Hawley) Con 808 69.00% Lab 285 24.34% Grn 78 6.66% From Dartford Council website That is a rather good result for them.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 11:55:25 GMT
that has always been true up to now, but the seat has gradually become less safe in real terms as Djanogly's time has gone on - it was the safest Tory seat in the land in the 1992 & 1997 general elections (despite major - no pun intended - boundary changes). It would almost certainly go Labour in a by-election now, and it isn't 100% safe even for a general election at the moment, though it is certainly a long shot to say the least. You’d have to think though if it did go then the predictions of the Tories being below triple figures wouldn’t be far off correct? We are still 12+ months out and so much can happen in the interim. I think this sort of speculation is fruitless and futile. My own gut feeling is a close result possibly with a Conservative lead but no majority. I don't see a total melt-down and the trends look to be slow but positive for them at present. A lot hinges on SNP, LD and Reform (or re-branding/possible new Farage vehicle?). If one implodes, another has sudden expansion and the third gets nowhere in terms of seats but hugely damages the Conservative vote, then anything may happen?
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 11:44:34 GMT
the Blue Anchor pub in Helston is a must, a centuries-old pub with its own ancient brewery. And after a pint or four of Middle one can get quality conversation with erudite alcoholics, until about 12.30 and then it gets quieter and a little more morose. It is a step back in time to pre-Progressive let alone pre-Woke! But, sadly I have not been for a couple of decades.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 11:28:23 GMT
She stood as an Indy in May, beating the LDs into third place, so I expect there was some pragmatic recruitment by the local party. Indeed, the result is pretty close to last May's if you add the Indy vote to the Lib Dem one, and allow for a bit more Tory slide. So @carlton is a bit wrong when he says "far more a vote", etc, it's rather closer to 50/50 than that suggests. On the Upper Class thing ("he looks down on him", etc) I seem to remember it was always thus in the more feudal bits of Yorkshire- I remember spending some time campaigning in those parts in the earliest days of the Lib Dems (even before they were so called) and being surprised at the support and influence of the great aristocratic (Whiggish?) families. Nor is this confined to Yorkshire- I'm remembering a famous victory in the more feudal parts of Kent where it pays to have the local aristocracy as the Lib Dem candidate- I am thinking Penshurst and Chiddingstone. Of course the added piquancy in the Masham case is the family connection to old style Toryism rather than Whiggery, what one might term Whitelawry. It might well be that that sort of old style Toryism which despises the spivvery of present day so-called Conservatism might find more in common with Liberal Democracy. No. I am entirely correct. I know that area well. That was entirely a vote for her 'despite the noxious branding'!
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 10, 2023 11:24:06 GMT
Marazion has one of the best pasty shops in Penwith- Philps. They have a few other locations in the area too IIRC. Used to frequent the area regularly when I was studying in Falmouth as Marazion Bay and area is fantastic for birding. Was always worth trekking from the RSPB reserve into the village for sustenance. Have Philps opened in Marazion then? When I lived in Cornwall they had just the one shop in Hayle. Other pasty shops include Hampsons in Hayle and Anne's on the Lizard. As mentioned elsewhere. There isn't lot to Helston. Barring a dance or two. Furry well said, My Lover.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2023 23:56:21 GMT
That is far more a vote for the Countess of Swinton than anything at all to do with the LDs. It could even be thought of as a class vote of Upper Class over Middle Class?
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2023 23:42:00 GMT
Wonderful result and what an upset for the competition.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2023 23:14:58 GMT
So, they've revoked the Acts of Attender clause of the constitution have they? Must have missed the news. Do you mean 'attainder'? I am aware of this as a branch of the family by marriage has an earldom still in attainder, I think from being on the wrong side during the Duke of Monmouth's Rebellion.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 9, 2023 21:42:51 GMT
LAB 55.8 CON 26.8 REF 7.9 GREEN 4.8 LD 3.9 OMRL 0.8
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 5, 2023 0:26:16 GMT
It really doesn't matter does it? He was the sort of affable middle class non-entity that I associate with the BBC more than other stations; and I thought 'Countdown' was probably a BBC programme. It wasn't! He wasn't! Who cares? I certainly don't. Good Attitude, never let the facts get in the way of personal prejudice. I deny no facts. I have no prejudice against him or the BBC. I made assumptions. I was wrong. It doesn't matter. I don't care.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 3, 2023 10:59:43 GMT
Apart from a very short lived chat show which no one remembers*, he only ever worked for Independent tv companies, mostly Yorkshire. And he was pretty definitely a Tory iirc.
*Ok, someone on here will remember it.
EDIT: I see Tim has beaten me to it, with almost the same words. Please don't bring facts up. Carlton didn't like Whiteley, therefore he worked for the BBC. It really doesn't matter does it? He was the sort of affable middle class non-entity that I associate with the BBC more than other stations; and I thought 'Countdown' was probably a BBC programme. It wasn't! He wasn't! Who cares? I certainly don't.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 3, 2023 10:20:02 GMT
Just as well. Doubt he knew any other language? In a period when the BBC had many pleasant but utterly gormless front men, he seemed prime of that ilk. Now they have sharper, nastier ill-spoken chavs instead, and mainly female. Apart from a very short lived chat show which no one remembers*, he only ever worked for Independent tv companies, mostly Yorkshire. And he was pretty definitely a Tory iirc.
*Ok, someone on here will remember it.
EDIT: I see Tim has beaten me to it, with almost the same words. I never watched any of his stuff except when staying with my Mother. She was a devotee of both him and the programme. He was I suppose nice enough but just such a, how can one term it? A know-nothing non-entity? I suppose they get positions from fellow non-entities? And the audience of people like my Mother must be large? There was nothing to dislike about him, because frankly there was just nothing at all 'about him'. Perhaps that was just me? I am a fairly harsh critic.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 2, 2023 22:48:40 GMT
Whiteley went to Cambridge? He always seemed the sort of 'nice but dim' bloke, who squeaked a couple of O Levels in workwork and divinity! Read English at Christ's College. Just as well. Doubt he knew any other language? In a period when the BBC had many pleasant but utterly gormless front men, he seemed prime of that ilk. Now they have sharper, nastier ill-spoken chavs instead, and mainly female.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 2, 2023 22:41:30 GMT
ha ha!! I think I recall correctly that the great TV double-act of Richard Whiteley and Carol Vorderman both graduated from Cambridge with third class degrees?! Whiteley went to Cambridge? He always seemed the sort of 'nice but dim' bloke, who squeaked a couple of O Levels in workwork and divinity!
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 29, 2023 21:17:30 GMT
No, unless he goes in a fit of pique. Dame your pique Ilyich! He'll rout you in spades.
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