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Post by carlton43 on Mar 28, 2023 23:46:40 GMT
I hate "whom". It is a grammatical aberration that it remains in the language when it should have died with "thee" and "thou". I have recently endeavoured to replace it with who in all instances. carlton43 would be appalled. Disappointed but not surprised.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 15:23:10 GMT
Why? What is all this about? I was born in Cheshire because of war conditions. I was schooled in Kent because my Father had work there. I worked in Kent, Sussex, Surrey, London, Essex, Suffolk, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire because my employer posted me there. Should I have done it all in Cheshire because of accident of birth and just my first three nights of dwelling being there? Or in Kent because of growing up and schooling and first jobs? Why can't footballers go where suits them, their career development, their family needs and expectations just like the rest of us? I am the nationalist 'blood and soil' old stager on this Forum, but I am not restrictive about Leeds having an all-Leeds team, or a Greater Leeds conurbation team, or a West Riding team, or a Yorkshire team or even an English team. I want to see them with a team good enough to win games and stay up in the Premier Division and joined by other Yorkshire teams. If those teams are scant on Yorkshire players I really do not mind. What is the point some of you are making? And does it not class with your love of diversity and multi-culturism and immigration? 1. I did say "in an ideal world". Obviously, not the one we actually live in. 2. I know I hadn't added an appropriate emoticon or whatever, but I thought it was pretty obvious the point wasn't being made seriously. I would be the last person to want to come to the aid of Leeds United. Of course, given your points above maybe you would want to see the player in question playing for Leeds.Not me. I did take you to mean just what you said and that at the same time it was not a matter of any great importance to you. I don't have any ideal world concepts, and if I did, this sort of thing would not be one of them. And, Yes, I would love to see him playing for Leeds instead because I like Leeds and would prefer a weaker City.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 15:11:39 GMT
Why? What is all this about? I was born in Cheshire because of war conditions. I was schooled in Kent because my Father had work there. I worked in Kent, Sussex, Surrey, London, Essex, Suffolk, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire because my employer posted me there. Should I have done it all in Cheshire because of accident of birth and just my first three nights of dwelling being there? Or in Kent because of growing up and schooling and first jobs? Why can't footballers go where suits them, their career development, their family needs and expectations just like the rest of us? I am the nationalist 'blood and soil' old stager on this Forum, but I am not restrictive about Leeds having an all-Leeds team, or a Greater Leeds conurbation team, or a West Riding team, or a Yorkshire team or even an English team. I want to see them with a team good enough to win games and stay up in the Premier Division and joined by other Yorkshire teams. If those teams are scant on Yorkshire players I really do not mind. What is the point some of you are making? And does it not class with your love of diversity and multi-culturism and immigration? Should an owner of a team have an emotional attachment to it? If you are a sentimental Romantic, I suppose you might wish it to be so? If you want, deep pockets, commitment and sound experience coupled with excellent management, it is not near a priority. I have an attachment to my club. I expect owner, staff and players to be fully committed. But why would they not. Each have much to lose by not being so. Sentimental romantics may have dreamy warped views and poor judgement beacause they are more heart and emotion than clinical necessity. Will they drop popular but failing players? Will they sell and release those we don't need and that no longer fit?
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 11:56:06 GMT
I would certainly like some games to still be played on grass free mud pitches. The old editions of "The Big Match" on YouTube are often a joy to watch just for this reason. This is one of the reasons why minor league and lower division clubs attract and maintain supporters. Some people love to endure the grim experiences that carlton43 describes and prefer the strongly local allegiances, the fairly local (but very ordinary) players and the terrace camaraderie that goes with it. We have the the top two leagues for high quality play, decent facilities, a chance of major honours. But nobody forces someone to like that. If you have a more localist set of values then there's a team there for you. That's unless you believe that someone is born a supporter of a particular team... I understand that. I empathize and I do not wish to join them. I like Arsenal as it is. I think they play well together, seem to have team spirit and friendship and loyalty. I think they like and respect the club and its traditions and history and like the shirt whilst in that team. But nothing is forever and new pastures will beckon for some; others we may need to 'let go'. Life is like that at the top end of football, opera, ballet and the National Theatre.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 11:50:24 GMT
10 are English, Haaland was born in Leeds So in an ideal world, he'd be playing for Leeds? Why? What is all this about? I was born in Cheshire because of war conditions. I was schooled in Kent because my Father had work there. I worked in Kent, Sussex, Surrey, London, Essex, Suffolk, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire, Nottinghamshire and Yorkshire because my employer posted me there. Should I have done it all in Cheshire because of accident of birth and just my first three nights of dwelling being there? Or in Kent because of growing up and schooling and first jobs? Why can't footballers go where suits them, their career development, their family needs and expectations just like the rest of us? I am the nationalist 'blood and soil' old stager on this Forum, but I am not restrictive about Leeds having an all-Leeds team, or a Greater Leeds conurbation team, or a West Riding team, or a Yorkshire team or even an English team. I want to see them with a team good enough to win games and stay up in the Premier Division and joined by other Yorkshire teams. If those teams are scant on Yorkshire players I really do not mind. What is the point some of you are making? And does it not class with your love of diversity and multi-culturism and immigration?
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 10:15:08 GMT
7-Members of the Arsenal squad are English. 9-Members of the Manchester City squad are English. What is this zero of which you speak? They are the clear Top Two teams. first of all, I’d rather die in a ditch than actually call Arsenal a top two team (even though it technically is this season). There are barely any English (or British) club owners in the premier league (out of the top 6 only Daniel Levy is British), and the foreign owners (and many British owners as well) have no real emotional connection with the city or club and the one foreign owner who cared about his club got kicked out because of the Russia-Ukraine war. The style of play has also become distinctively less aggressive than it used to be (The main reason I like American football for example). Why this aggression? Why the hyperbole? Why prefer the even more mechanistic and controlled American football? You seem to be a mixture or conflicting emotions here? I am a lifelong Arsenal fan. I like my team. It has English players. It is unique in never been having been relgated in the post-WW1 era. It has topped the League and won as many cups as all but a few few other top clubs. It is quite undeniable to assert that it is and has always been a Top Club on any criterion. Don't be so silly. Did you like the near grass-free mud pitches of the second half of the season? The dilapidated stands and worn-out terraces? The stinking urinals. The very basic unhygienic food stalls? The very poor standard of refereeing? The lack of TV coverage? The often rank poor management and coaching? The all-British squads often with third-rater, fat, puffing not good subs? I always hoped for better. Now we have better everything. And we have new problem areas that go with wealth and prima donnas and absurdist expectations? I knew the 50s-60s and it wasn't better.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 9:04:07 GMT
7-Members of the Arsenal squad are English. 9-Members of the Manchester City squad are English. What is this zero of which you speak? They are the clear Top Two teams. I interpreted it as Manchester, Liverpool and London being metropolitan cities and therefore being Urban not English. I don't understand your statement at all or how it relates to the falsity of the contention that there are no English players in the game at the top level.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 21, 2023 8:45:45 GMT
Shilton is talking out if his arse as per normal. There there were very few foreign players in England during his era. The influx of foreign players was a response to the fact that the domestically produced players were not good enough. The Premier League dominates world TV audiences because they have the best players. In the 1980s the dominant force was the German Bundesliga. In the 1990s it was the Italian Serie A. While the league is technically better now, it is inauthentic and most of the top teams have zero connection with England (and Wales). 7-Members of the Arsenal squad are English. 9-Members of the Manchester City squad are English. What is this zero of which you speak? They are the clear Top Two teams.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 20, 2023 10:06:59 GMT
Best score ever for the Greens right? Correct it appears. Some 10% and 11% over the last few years. But nothing as high as 13%. Greens received 14.5% of the vote in the euro elections 1989 but the opinion polling at the time showed no indication of that either before or following the result. Oh dear! Oh dear!! What some of us say to a pollster and what we do on election day are often very different. And there is an individual party differential of voting intention to actually turning out to vote. It is markedly lower with all minor parties.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 17, 2023 21:28:25 GMT
Though Barnard Castle is not all that far away from Bishop Auckland. What about Barnard Auckland? Great actor. Did you catch his very moving Polonius?
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2023 11:33:45 GMT
We have lived through the shared experience of what amounts to a communal political nervous breakdown that resulted in Brexit, Corbyn, Johnson and Truss. Much of that is now looking like deep cathartic gut revulsion at the imperfections of normality and the safe pair of hands approach. The great white hopes of Blair and Cameron were shown to have serious flaws from which many inferred there to be serial flaws in the system itself and in the establishment, as perceived. Of course, whatever is done becomes the new orthodoxy and the new men become the new establishment, and the distrust and dislike feeds upon itself. We have bred ourselves into a near incohate state of affairs from which it is hardly surprising that a Sunak and a Starmer emerge to restore all that had been rejected in the dull safe pair of hands again. The real canary in the coal mine for all this was 2014 - UKIP winning the European elections then the status quo only narrowly triumphing in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, with the subsequent historic political realignment there. Interestingly the resulting period of SNP dominance now seems under genuine threat as well? I agree. The SNP wipe-out was quite as much a system revolt as it was a desire for independence. The victory was too sudden to be conversion to a cause, it had mindless revolt written all over it. And of course I should have alluded to the Scottish situation in my post as well. The UKIP 'warning' was inherent in my use of Brexit, but again you are correct to indicate it as such a warning.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2023 11:19:53 GMT
Perhaps you sense the frustration of the decent wing of the Labour Party who had assumed in 2015 that all this was perfectly manifest (or would be once anyone actually looked at Corbyn's record) only to find so many people so willing to deceive themselves. Listen to us next time, OK? I didn't vote for him, needed no advice on his faults and shared my views freely. However I think a careful reflection on the tactics used, candidates fielded and the lacklustre offerings of the alternatives will also tell you much about why he had such appeal to people who hadn't been close observers (and that's most of the Labour membership, let alone others allowed to vote). I think the learning should be pretty evenly shared among the various mainstream factions. And I'd imagine the hard left has learned a few things too, one of which is, should they ever get near to control of the party machine, be more ruthless if they can. We have lived through the shared experience of what amounts to a communal political nervous breakdown that resulted in Brexit, Corbyn, Johnson and Truss. Much of that is now looking like deep cathartic gut revulsion at the imperfections of normality and the safe pair of hands approach. The great white hopes of Blair and Cameron were shown to have serious flaws from which many inferred there to be serial flaws in the system itself and in the establishment, as perceived. Of course, whatever is done becomes the new orthodoxy and the new men become the new establishment, and the distrust and dislike feeds upon itself. We have bred ourselves into a near incohate state of affairs from which it is hardly surprising that a Sunak and a Starmer emerge to restore all that had been rejected in the dull safe pair of hands again.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2023 11:07:21 GMT
I think David & some others are omitting one other thing. Labour lost the 2010 election with a leader seen as belonging, essentially, to the soft right of the party, and again in 2015 with a cautious leader who appeared to have some affinity with its soft left. There was a very strong desire for something different as other types of politics had been tried but failed, and some of the policies coming from Corbyn had considerable popularity - though there were others that most certainly didn't. I still think that if the left had been better led, with someone with a great deal less baggage than Jeremy Corbyn, it could well have ended a lot better than it did; having said that, it's likely that a more convincing left-wing figure would have failed to get on to the ballot paper. I will certainly be more choosy about who I support in internal elections both at national and at CLP level, but here in my own CLP I could not possibly have voted for the left's nominee for Chair after I resigned, and it's not much of a secret that I voted for the right's candidate, with whom fortunately I get on pretty well. So I'll continue to decide when the different alternatives are presented to me and will not align myself with either major faction. The veteran CLP secretary, who will soon be able to enjoy a much-merited retirement, is a very good friend who has remained in post for much of the last 20 years, and he is very much a Progress supporter. He has done an excellent job and will be hugely missed when he changes constituencies later this year, when CLPs are reorganised according to the new boundaries. These posts are very interesting and informative. I have long considered Labour activists to be wrong to be so obsessed with the finer points of policy when considered in terms of the electorate. Islington North might be a very rare exception to my point because of the electorate demographic? But, generally I believe that the electorate is using quite crude and general heuristics and an array of 'signifiers' to make electoral choices, and most will have a default option they rely on to avoid the need to think about it at all. The voting intention will heve been laid down over years of accretions of small influences with an overlay of just one or two massive inflences (family tradition, union membership, religion, education and social milieu). Most of us morph very slowly and continually or in discrete ratchets following upon 'events'. The policies matter to insiders but to most other people it is past usage, habit, inertia, the tone and mood of the moment that prevails.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 13, 2023 21:58:57 GMT
Does anyone have information about two apparent defections on Cannock Chase council? Lisa Wilson (Con) (Hednesford North), elected in 2021, is now shown on the website as Labour. Mandy Dunnett (last recorded as Chase Community Independents) (Heath Hayes East and Wimblebury), elected in 2019, is now shown on the website as Labour. I cannot find any information about these changes and Open Council Data UK does not appear to have picked them up yet. Chase Community Independents have basically folded. Oh dear! Sad. They must be creased?
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 13, 2023 13:06:33 GMT
When it includes a pregnancy, which given who the paternal grandmother is, she’s almost certainly going to have to go through with, I disagree even more. As I said, I’m not necessarily advocating jail time if the intercourse was consensual, but I do think there’s a necessity for some punishment. One side thought, by how many months has he dodged being over 18 in which case we would be talking statutory rape? It also strikes me as odd that one of George W Bush’s daughter got a criminal record at 19 for attempting to purchase alcohol in Florida, and yet a legally defined child can become pregnant with the father getting away without punishment. Where do you draw the line? If the boy is 16 years 1 month, and the girl is 15 years 11 months, does that still deserve punishment? Well Yes! If he were a Republican Adult and she was a Democrat innocent child. However : - If she was Republican put-it-about-a-bit, temptress, virtual fully Adult and he was a Democrat innocent, young-for-age, boy, then obviously not.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 9, 2023 21:44:20 GMT
My current choice of film for 'Carlton's Essential 1000 Great Films' is 'No Love For Johnnie' based of the novel of the same name by the former Labour MP here, Wilfrid Fienburgh 1951-1958, who died in a car accident in 1958 before publication or production of the film which is set in immediate post-war Labour Politics and touches upon many pertinent issues of the time. Fienburgh was a most interesting man and a Jewish member for this seat. Wilfred Fienburgh narrowly failed to unseat Gwilym Lloyd George at Pembroke in 1945 when he lost by just 168 votes in a straight fight with no Tory standing. Had there been a Tory , Fienburgh and Labour would have had a good majority - as indicated by the 1951 election result there when Labour won by over 9,000 when facing both Tory and Liberal opponents. It makes me wonder about fate - in that had he been elected MP for Pembroke in 1945 , it seems much less lkely that he would have fallen victim to the 1958 car accident. Who knows? But he would have had a flat in London at least, and been driving in the same manner, for the same purposes!
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 9, 2023 21:39:18 GMT
My current choice of film for 'Carlton's Essential 1000 Great Films' is 'No Love For Johnnie' based of the novel of the same name by the former Labour MP here, Wilfrid Fienburgh 1951-1958, who died in a car accident in 1958 before publication or production of the film which is set in immediate post-war Labour Politics and touches upon many pertinent issues of the time. Fienburgh was a most interesting man and a Jewish member for this seat. I had always assumed that Fienburgh was Jewish (because the name Fineberg, however spelt, is almost always a Jewish surname), but had never been able to find confirmation, so I am obliged to accept your word for it. His predecessor, Leslie Haden-Guest, was a convert to Judaism. There are currently two of these in the House, Andrew Percy (Brigg & Goole, C) and Charlotte Nichols (Warrington N, Lab). I confess that I do not know that he was Jewish but was told in the 60s by anecdote that he was by people that knew him, and then there is the name and the interment at Golders Green Crematorium. It was also said that he had a bit of a racy side to him and that his continuing service in the TA as a major in the Intelligence Corps might well have suggested that he had what is now termed a spook side to him? There were also some questions about the nature of his fatal accident.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 9, 2023 15:42:40 GMT
My current choice of film for 'Carlton's Essential 1000 Great Films' is 'No Love For Johnnie' based of the novel of the same name by the former Labour MP here, Wilfrid Fienburgh 1951-1958, who died in a car accident in 1958 before publication or production of the film which is set in immediate post-war Labour Politics and touches upon many pertinent issues of the time. Fienburgh was a most interesting man and a Jewish member for this seat.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 9, 2023 15:34:39 GMT
yes, I never dreamt that I would suffer the degree of abuse that I did when I was in support of him. It was during 2018 that I ceased to do so, especially later on that year. You can call me foolish if you wish, and I wouldn't necessarily argue with you Arthur. I am very sorry that you had such experiences. I am not myself Jewish but joined JLM a few years ago to show solidarity with those fighting Ant-Semitism. I know! Those Middle Eastern ants get everywhere.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 9, 2023 11:19:30 GMT
Good job that we have two elections in London and 1 in Edinburgh as turnouts would outherwise be very low in this weather. Right now I doubt if anybody would vote in this weather in Mid Wales right now Well, not Right Now!
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