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Post by matureleft on May 4, 2024 8:29:11 GMT
The result perhaps demonstrates that, to most voters, quite how you do something is of rather less interest than what you do (or in some cases, are attempting, or seem to do).
Houchen has been criticised for governance failings by Gove and he appears to have accepted some of that criticism. If the government changes I’d expect that the National Audit Office will spend some time looking a bit deeper into both process faults and other claims. I’m sure that he’s aware of that.
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Post by The Bishop on May 4, 2024 10:38:26 GMT
Though does Houchen not even wearing a Tory rosette to the declaration count as part of the "Boris agenda"? Both he and Street de facto campaigned as independents - that is obviously going to be hard for even the most distinctive Tory hopefuls to pull off at a GE. Boris the Mayor ran on a similar independent Conservative ticket. But still with a bit more emphasis on the "Conservative" bit.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 4, 2024 11:57:31 GMT
Boris the Mayor ran on a similar independent Conservative ticket. But still with a bit more emphasis on the "Conservative" bit. The Tory label was a lot less toxic in 2008 and 2012 than it is now.
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Post by londonw5er on May 4, 2024 13:25:58 GMT
One lesson that Labour needs to learn about these mayoral contest is that if you are serious about defeating an incumbent who has become entrenched you should not be afraid to go negative and ad-hominem. It may be the only way that will work. If Houchen had been subjected to anything like the sustained attacks that Tories mounted on Sadiq Khan (or on Livingstone in 2008 and 2012) would he have survived? The simple facts of his backroom business dealings and the way they have enriched Tory donors at the expense of taxpayers should have been damning enough but were they relentlessly publicised and repeated to the extent that they would need to have been to cut through? I don't have any direct knowledge of the local campaign so if anyone on here does it would be interesting to have their take on what happened.
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Post by cogload on May 6, 2024 12:34:13 GMT
If we are going to continue with these abominations can we call them by their proper names? There is no geographical area called Tees Valley, so can we rename it Teesdale?
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 6, 2024 13:39:44 GMT
If we are going to continue with these abominations can we call them by their proper names? There is no geographical area called Tees Valley, so can we rename it Teesdale? Teesdale tends to mean the river upstream of Darlington, including (for instance) Middleton-in-Teesdale, so no, that wouldn't work. Tees Valley is probably as good as we're going to get.
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Post by jamie on May 6, 2024 14:11:44 GMT
If we are going to continue with these abominations can we call them by their proper names? There is no geographical area called Tees Valley, so can we rename it Teesdale? Teesdale tends to mean the river upstream of Darlington, including (for instance) Middleton-in-Teesdale, so no, that wouldn't work. Tees Valley is probably as good as we're going to get. Teesside (assuming Darlington doesn’t get too pissed off)?
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 6, 2024 14:19:40 GMT
Teesdale tends to mean the river upstream of Darlington, including (for instance) Middleton-in-Teesdale, so no, that wouldn't work. Tees Valley is probably as good as we're going to get. Teesside (assuming Darlington doesn’t get too pissed off)? Darlington was never included in Teesside, so I don't think it would go down that well. It's not actually on the Tees anyway, it's on the Skerne, a tributary. But it is in the Tees valley.
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Post by batman on May 6, 2024 16:02:11 GMT
"Teesside & Darlington"
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Post by Raddy on May 6, 2024 21:36:35 GMT
If we are going to continue with these abominations can we call them by their proper names? There is no geographical area called Tees Valley, so can we rename it Teesdale? If your brains were gunpowder you wouldn't have enough to blow your cap off. Dale is the northern term for valley, therefore Teesdale means Tees Valley, all of it from where it rises on Cross Fell to where it enters the North Sea at Teesmouth. The name Teesdale in contrast to the Tees Valley alongdide all the other Yorkshire and Durham dales is traditionally identified as the area upstream of where the river leaves it's linear valley, but the rivers don't disappear they remain in their watershed. The reason we have Tees Valley was to get away from the fabricated names of previous discredited gerrymandered political experiments such as Teesside and Cleveland County which were both attempts to create a sub regional centre around Middlesbrough. Tees Valley includes Darlington the others didn't. Here is the watershed of the Tees Valley, the full geographic area. Google is your friend if you need educating. images.app.goo.gl/nRV3DMZb85c7KcYs5
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 6, 2024 21:53:17 GMT
Teesdale was of course the name for the not-that-long-defunct local authority centred on Barnard Castle, which area is obviously not included in thie entity
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Post by cogload on May 7, 2024 3:59:17 GMT
If we are going to continue with these abominations can we call them by their proper names? There is no geographical area called Tees Valley, so can we rename it Teesdale? If your brains were gunpowder you wouldn't have enough to blow your cap off. Dale is the northern term for valley, therefore Teesdale means Tees Valley, all of it from where it rises on Cross Fell to where it enters the North Sea at Teesmouth. The name Teesdale in contrast to the Tees Valley alongdide all the other Yorkshire and Durham dales is traditionally identified as the area upstream of where the river leaves it's linear valley, but the rivers don't disappear they remain in their watershed. The reason we have Tees Valley was to get away from the fabricated names of previous discredited gerrymandered political experiments such as Teesside and Cleveland County which were both attempts to create a sub regional centre around Middlesbrough. Tees Valley includes Darlington the others didn't. Here is the watershed of the Tees Valley, the full geographic area. Google is your friend if you need educating. images.app.goo.gl/nRV3DMZb85c7KcYs5What a pleasant well mannered individual you are. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
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Post by batman on May 7, 2024 5:36:22 GMT
No he only uses it to kiss women on Darlo buses
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 7, 2024 7:30:32 GMT
Well, I suppose we already have Kensington and Chelsea, Hammersmith and Fulham, Reigate and Banstead, Barking and Dagenham ...
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Post by carlton43 on May 7, 2024 22:46:53 GMT
If your brains were gunpowder you wouldn't have enough to blow your cap off. Dale is the northern term for valley, therefore Teesdale means Tees Valley, all of it from where it rises on Cross Fell to where it enters the North Sea at Teesmouth. The name Teesdale in contrast to the Tees Valley alongdide all the other Yorkshire and Durham dales is traditionally identified as the area upstream of where the river leaves it's linear valley, but the rivers don't disappear they remain in their watershed. The reason we have Tees Valley was to get away from the fabricated names of previous discredited gerrymandered political experiments such as Teesside and Cleveland County which were both attempts to create a sub regional centre around Middlesbrough. Tees Valley includes Darlington the others didn't. Here is the watershed of the Tees Valley, the full geographic area. Google is your friend if you need educating. images.app.goo.gl/nRV3DMZb85c7KcYs5What a pleasant well mannered individual you are. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? This person is entirely wrong in his use of the precise term 'Watershed'. It is only the dividing line between two or more river basin systems, at the highest point. The American common and ill-educated way of using it instead of river basin is much to be deplored, but does help to identify the unfortunate misinformed for us!
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Post by stb12 on May 7, 2024 23:01:20 GMT
Can we please calm down a bit in here, too many insults flying about
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Post by john07 on May 7, 2024 23:07:41 GMT
What a pleasant well mannered individual you are. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? This cocksure little know-nothing is entirely wrong in his use of the precise term 'Watershed'. It is only the dividing line between two or more river basin systems, at the highest point. The American common and ill-educated way of using it instead of river basin is much to be deplored, but does help to identify pig-ignorant little squirts for us! In Down With Skool, Nigel Molesworth when asked what a 'Watershed' was replied that a toolshed was where you keep tools, a woodshed is where you keep wood. Don't waste my time!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 7, 2024 23:11:54 GMT
As any fule kno.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 8, 2024 1:15:25 GMT
If we are going to continue with these abominations can we call them by their proper names? There is no geographical area called Tees Valley, so can we rename it Teesdale? If your brains were gunpowder you wouldn't have enough to blow your cap off. Dale is the northern term for valley, therefore Teesdale means Tees Valley, all of it from where it rises on Cross Fell to where it enters the North Sea at Teesmouth. Dale means hilly valley, so by definition, *not* the estuarial plains.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 8, 2024 6:55:48 GMT
This cocksure little know-nothing is entirely wrong in his use of the precise term 'Watershed'. It is only the dividing line between two or more river basin systems, at the highest point. The American common and ill-educated way of using it instead of river basin is much to be deplored, but does help to identify pig-ignorant little squirts for us! In Down With Skool, Nigel Molesworth when asked what a 'Watershed' was replied that a toolshed was where you keep tools, a woodshed is where you keep wood. Don't waste my time! And he said...darling don't be stupid....there's nothing in the woodshed. Except maybe some wood.
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