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Post by stb12 on May 3, 2024 11:41:30 GMT
Pretty comfortable win all things considered
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Post by Raddy on May 3, 2024 12:28:49 GMT
No messing with the two ladies from Darlington. All the two ladies vocalised was a statement of the bleeding obvious to anybody that opened their eyes and ears. Despite all the bollocks coming from unreconstructed Labour dinosaurs like McDonald and Cunningham, and the big kids comic Private Eye, the public of the Tees Valley including the Labour heartland of Middlesbrough know that Houchen is a politician that gets things done. Houchen has done more in his two terms than 100 years of electing visionless clowns like McEwan. Of course he won because of his personal vote, he has earned the respect of his electorate. This victory is his victory personally, not a victory for the useless Conservative Party
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Post by right on May 3, 2024 12:46:12 GMT
The Boris agenda still has bite when there's effective delivery
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 3, 2024 13:10:27 GMT
Just switcehd over to BBC coverage and some Scottish idiot is trying to apply the swing here from 2021 (17%) to the general election - the area swung to the Conservatives relative to 2019
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Post by graham on May 3, 2024 14:17:37 GMT
Why has Houchen been so successful in brushing off the corruption allegations here?
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Post by weld on May 3, 2024 14:19:01 GMT
Why has Houchen been so successful in brushing off the corruption allegations here? Voters vouching for Houchen?
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Post by graham on May 3, 2024 14:29:20 GMT
Why has Houchen been so successful in brushing off the corruption allegations here? Voters vouching for Houchen? But why would so many willingly vote for someone alleged to be a crook?
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Post by stb12 on May 3, 2024 14:30:50 GMT
For forum protection reasons be careful with this please
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Post by graham on May 3, 2024 14:34:09 GMT
For forum protection reasons be careful with this please Nobody here is likely to be in a position to know whether or not allegations are true , but such rumours do tend to have an electoral impact.
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Post by maxque on May 3, 2024 14:35:34 GMT
Why has Houchen been so successful in brushing off the corruption allegations here? Electors tend to favour results over repute, see Donald Trump.
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Post by stb12 on May 3, 2024 14:35:38 GMT
For forum protection reasons be careful with this please Nobody here is likely to be in a position to know whether or not allegations are true , but such rumours do tend to have an electoral impact. Its one thing referencing allegations but your second post on it above is a bit borderline to say the least
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Post by carlton43 on May 3, 2024 14:45:36 GMT
Voters vouching for Houchen? But why would so many willingly vote for someone widely believed to be a crook? That is very close to obvious libel.
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Post by edgbaston on May 3, 2024 15:12:46 GMT
But why would so many willingly vote for someone widely believed to be a crook? That is very close to obvious libel. Speaking from personal experience? Probably pure pork barrel as Mitterand was a pliable fixer and consummate crook.
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Post by WJ on May 3, 2024 15:19:24 GMT
That is very close to obvious libel. Speaking from personal experience? Probably pure pork barrel as Mitterand was a pliable fixer and consummate crook. Not at all the same thing. You can't libel a dead person.
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Post by maxque on May 3, 2024 15:19:28 GMT
That is very close to obvious libel. Speaking from personal experience? Probably pure pork barrel as Mitterand was a pliable fixer and consummate crook. Technically, I think that under English law, you can't libel the dead.
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Post by carlton43 on May 3, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
That is very close to obvious libel. Speaking from personal experience? Probably pure pork barrel as Mitterand was a pliable fixer and consummate crook. One cannot libel the dead!
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Post by relique on May 3, 2024 15:49:18 GMT
Speaking from personal experience? One cannot libel the dead! There are still a few Mitterrand yet undead
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Post by The Bishop on May 3, 2024 20:55:47 GMT
The Boris agenda still has bite when there's effective delivery Though does Houchen not even wearing a Tory rosette to the declaration count as part of the "Boris agenda"? Both he and Street de facto campaigned as independents - that is obviously going to be hard for even the most distinctive Tory hopefuls to pull off at a GE.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on May 3, 2024 20:58:21 GMT
The Boris agenda still has bite when there's effective delivery Though does Houchen not even wearing a Tory rosette to the declaration count as part of the "Boris agenda"? Both he and Street de facto campaigned as independents - that is obviously going to be hard for even the most distinctive Tory hopefuls to pull off at a GE. Boris the Mayor ran on a similar independent Conservative ticket.
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Post by Raddy on May 4, 2024 8:09:54 GMT
The one lesson that the Conservative Party and Labour for that matter need to learn from the Tees Valley result, and perhaps the West Midlands result, is if you promise something in a manifesto, you should be working your nuts off to achieve it. In our modern media world the days of making excuses after the election about why you are now unable to do as you promised will be dissected to death, and as the Tories are now finding out, severely punished for the deceit by the electorate.
Houchen has done nothing more than what it said on the label in his previous contests, and the Tees Valley public knows that this term will be exactly the same. As for campaigning as an independent, the public are fully aware he is a Conservative, but they also know that he is an advocate for the Tees Valley before any national politics, and that is why they supported him
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