mboy
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Post by mboy on Apr 17, 2017 18:26:07 GMT
Atatürk was a very successful authoritarian and his regime inspired European fascists (and was later inspired by them). The early Nazi movement greatly admired him. The Nazis also greatly admired the British Empire, and considered it an inspiration and blueprint on how an Aryan race could dominate and rule entire continents. This means little, and it certainly doesn't mean that the British Empire was a fascist dictatorship. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 19:01:48 GMT
Atatürk was a very successful authoritarian and his regime inspired European fascists (and was later inspired by them). The early Nazi movement greatly admired him. "The recently published "Atatürk in the Nazi Imagination" (The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press), chronicles how the German National Socialists developed an infatuation with Mustafa Kemal early on, from the moment when he rebelled against the Ottoman sultan and against the peace treaty that had been imposed on the Ottoman state after the First World War.
Atatürk’s revolution fascinated the German nationalists and far right in the early Weimar years like no other international topic. Newspapers repeatedly called for the application of “Turkish lessons” to Germany. The National Socialists “were strongly motivated by the Turkish War of Independence in their endeavors to “liberate” Germany,” writes Ihrig. In his defense speech in 1924, when Hitler stood trial for his failed putsch in Munich the year before, he legitimized his action by referring to Mustafa Kemal’s assumption of power in Ankara in 1920; Hitler stated that Mustafa Kemal had carried out the most perfect of the two revolutions, the other being Mussolini’s in 1922."Ataturk's leadership of Turkey was nowhere near anything like the Nazi and Fascist regimes. I doubt Uncle Adolf would have been impressed by Ataturk's treatment of the Jews either. This is just another example of comparing everything to the Nazis which lets face it is not a great way to start a serious debate. On the other hand if you were comparing Sultan Erdogan's policies to Nazi ones you would begin to have a point.. No its not, its an excerpt from a review of this excellent book: www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674368378 |
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Post by john07 on Apr 18, 2017 17:23:49 GMT
Denmark has a 50/50 Kurds/Turks distribution among resident Turkish citizens they still voted 60% "Yes". I would suggest, then, that that's the real mystery  A lot of no supporters didn't bother to vote or declined to give legitimacy to the farce? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 17:26:55 GMT
I would suggest, then, that that's the real mystery A lot of no supporters didn't bother to vote or declined to give legitimacy to the farce? Yes. I would suggest, then, that that's the real mystery Not really, its a matter of turnout. I think a number of the continental countries that had a high "Yes" votes have substantial Kurdish populations, so there must be other factors at work. The question is why this was different in the UK. |
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 18, 2017 20:48:27 GMT
I dunno, it ain't great but I can certainly think of worse feature films out there...  I am one of the few who really has 'never seen Star Wars'. Any of them And yet you recognised the quote... |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 18, 2017 20:53:15 GMT
I am one of the few who really has 'never seen Star Wars'. Any of them And yet you recognised the quote... No he didn't - he Googled the quote, same as I did, in order to see what the fuck everyone was going on about. (for my part I saw the original film at the cinema in 1977 and have never seen any of the sequels, remakes, repeats or anything else since then) |
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 18, 2017 23:34:29 GMT
I am one of the few who really has 'never seen Star Wars'. Any of them And yet you recognised the quote... No I didn't...I looked it up on google! |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 19, 2017 12:01:36 GMT
A comparison with Pres.2014:  HDP 2015:  Alevits:  |
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