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Post by yellowperil on Apr 14, 2017 8:27:18 GMT
Bad result for Labour to add to the list but I doubt if the Tories would ever win that ward in a high turnout election.. Haven't seen the exact turnout figures but seems to be down by about a third on last time, which was also a by-election, and hugely down on 2015. Is this all down to differential turnout and a professional Tory organisation in really not very favourable territory? |
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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2017 8:44:10 GMT
On the off-topic subject of silly names...
Richard Face, anyone?
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Post by maxque on Apr 14, 2017 8:45:01 GMT
On Twitter currently it seems a few are blaming local MP Tom Blenkinsop and he in turn is saying "the screeches of denial from the hard left are getting pretty boring" Well that should all help rally the Conservative vote........ Oh, the guy who caused the lost of the Redcar & Cleveland UA for Labour by purging the local party of the old timers to put his docile employees instead? |
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Post by Robert Waller on Apr 14, 2017 9:00:46 GMT
Marton is one of the most upmarket, middle class areas in Middlesbrough.
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Post by marksenior on Apr 14, 2017 9:12:11 GMT
People seem to be confusing Marton West ward which has always been strongly Conservative and Marton ward ( now Marton East ward ) where the 2 councillors since 2003 were both elected as Lib Dems in 2003 and 2007 and as Independents in 2011 and 2015
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Post by Robert Waller on Apr 14, 2017 9:19:30 GMT
What has happened to the Piddle Valley? Obviously not recount territory. Why are West Dorset Council p..ing about? and then as I was writing this  And if you look about 15 posts above yours, you'll see that the result was declared before midnight yesterday. So not the council's tardiness in counting. We do usually have to wait for someone to put the exact figures on Twitter, it seems. I accept Mark's point about Marton East. But when was a Labour councillor last elected in any Marton ward? |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 14, 2017 9:45:56 GMT
On Twitter currently it seems a few are blaming local MP Tom Blenkinsop and he in turn is saying "the screeches of denial from the hard left are getting pretty boring" Well that should all help rally the Conservative vote........ It is a crap result for us, but Blenkinsop is a prize arse. And I find it hard to believe that he is a vote winner for Labour locally. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 14, 2017 9:58:08 GMT
They have taken the p*ss yet again...  |
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 14, 2017 10:14:50 GMT
What has happened to the Piddle Valley? Obviously not recount territory. Why are West Dorset Council p..ing about? and then as I was writing this And if you look about 15 posts above yours, you'll see that the result was declared before midnight yesterday. So not the council's tardiness in counting. We do usually have to wait for someone to put the exact figures on Twitter, it seems. I take your point, but I often look at the council websites and can often get a result very quickly (usually still posted under forthcoming elections) but some can be very tardy. I suppose this was the Easter weekend and the West Dorset website not one of the best. |
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Post by erimus58 on Apr 14, 2017 10:17:52 GMT
Marton is the most upmarket, middle class ward in Middlesbrough. The first time I have seen the words upmarket and middle class mentioned in the same sentence as Middlesbrough. Of course Middlesbrough has its problem areas, same as everywhere else, but not everybody is an unemployed steel-worker or dole-scrounger, the solicitors and bank managers have to live somewhere!
My hometown may not be an utopian paradise but it is no worse than some other old industrial areas of the country. I despair at times that towns like Middlesbrough are the butt of music hall jokes and their problems are basically ignored by the political elite of both major parties.
This is probably why it was a heavily voting Brexit area and in the past elected Robocop and voted strongly against a North East assembly. There is very little trust in politicians of all parties and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Anyway that's probably a discussion for another thread.
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Post by andrew111 on Apr 14, 2017 10:52:15 GMT
The first time I have seen the words upmarket and middle class mentioned in the same sentence as Middlesbrough. Of course Middlesbrough has its problem areas, same as everywhere else, but not everybody is an unemployed steel-worker or dole-scrounger, the solicitors and bank managers have to live somewhere!
My hometown may not be an utopian paradise but it is no worse than some other old industrial areas of the country. I despair at times that towns like Middlesbrough are the butt of music hall jokes and their problems are basically ignored by the political elite of both major parties.
This is probably why it was a heavily voting Brexit area and in the past elected Robocop and voted strongly against a North East assembly. There is very little trust in politicians of all parties and they have nobody but themselves to blame.
Anyway that's probably a discussion for another thread.
Well said! This tendency to decry places like Middlesbrough, Stoke, Sheffield (where I come from) as places of unremitting grinding poverty, feckless welfare scroungers, teenage mothers etc etc can get pretty tedious! What these areas need is proper infrastructure investment (which has largely been coming from the EU if at all, ironically), democratic local government with less one-party states (STV like in Scotland would help a lot with that), and decent funding of local government so they could support local projects and cultural/recreational activity. Cancelling money-sucking projects like HS2 and Hinckley Point and putting the money into regional railways and increased capacity, and paying off PFI debts in the NHS would be a good start... |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 14, 2017 11:18:01 GMT
Damn! I so nearly went for Conservative and had I read the Andrew notes before voting I would have done. At least I placed him in front of Labour but overcooked the Independent chance on history rather than gut. When a frequent visitor to Rosedale I often drove through this ward and my train from Castleton passed through it. This is the sort of area on the change all over England. Imagine that would have put in a bit of a professional effort to the seat. Ward - no
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Sorry. That was careless of me. Nunthorpe is further east and the line does not actually even touch at any point. Upthread there was a map to consult, so no excuse. That area to the south is very pleasant for the most part. |
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Post by La Fontaine on Apr 14, 2017 11:35:08 GMT
Part of Middlesbrough's image problem derives from its very tight southern boundary. Originally, Gt Ayton, Stokesley etc. were to be included under the 1974 reorganisation. But inevitably there was local horror at being subsumed into such a strongly Labour area. So the boundary was moved northwards.
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Post by middleenglander on Apr 14, 2017 11:52:59 GMT
Middlesbrough, Coulby Newham - Conservative gain from Labour
| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2016 B | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 501 | 38.0% | +16.1% | +12.3% | +10.3% | Labour | 468 | 35.5% | -10.1% | -2.3% | +0.0% | Independent | 318 | 24.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Green | 32 | 2.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Previous Independents |
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| -29.6% | -23.0% | -22.3% | Liberal Democrat |
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| -3.0% | -13.5% | -14.5% | Total votes | 1,319 |
| 82% | 34% | 37% |
Swing Labour to Conservative 13.1% since May 2016 by-election and ~ 7¼% / 5% since 2015
Council now 31 Labour, 10 Assorted Independent & Residents, 5 Conservative
West Dorset, Piddle Valley - Conservative hold
| Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 | Conservative | 303 | 60.8% | -8.0% | Green | 195 | 39.2% | +19.4% | Labour |
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| -11.4% | Total votes | 498 |
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Swing Conservative to Green 13.7% since 2015 Council now 30 Conservative, 12 Liberal Democrat
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 14, 2017 12:43:29 GMT
Part of Middlesbrough's image problem derives from its very tight southern boundary. Originally, Gt Ayton, Stokesley etc. were to be included under the 1974 reorganisation. But inevitably there was local horror at being subsumed into such a strongly Labour area. So the boundary was moved northwards.Not far enough,obviously |
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Post by albion on Apr 14, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
welcome, albion. You sound as though you will find soul mates on this forum. Thanks for the kind reception. I should have added that Dick Little was one of the nicest guys I have come across.....but an awful lecturer (and great researcher) - very quiet and stumbling presentation. We always reckoned it was the childhood trauma of dealing with his parents sense of humour. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 14, 2017 15:58:04 GMT
In most respects the ward is very humdrum, very ordinary; more working class than not but not overwhelmingly so and not really what most southerners would assume a ward in Middlesbrough is like. Whether that makes the result more or less concerning I leave to the reader.
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Post by mboy on Apr 14, 2017 16:05:03 GMT
welcome, albion. You sound as though you will find soul mates on this forum. Thanks for the kind reception. I should have added that Dick Little was one of the nicest guys I have come across..... Well I hope you wiped up afterwards. Fnar! |
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Post by albion on Apr 14, 2017 16:22:00 GMT
Thanks for the kind reception. I should have added that Dick Little was one of the nicest guys I have come across..... Well I hope you wiped up afterwards. Fnar! Naughty! The wife (who I met at Lancaster) tells me that (despite the name and quiet demeanour) the Prof had quite a reputation. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 14, 2017 16:50:59 GMT
welcome, albion. You sound as though you will find soul mates on this forum. Thanks for the kind reception. I should have added that Dick Little was one of the nicest guys I have come across.....but an awful lecturer (and great researcher) - very quiet and stumbling presentation. We always reckoned it was the childhood trauma of dealing with his parents sense of humour. One of my parish councillors is named Richard Head. Remarkably he is devoted to his father. Thoroughly nice bloke. |
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