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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Jan 14, 2017 21:06:16 GMT
Only a damned fool would bet against Labour, even here.
As in Copeland (in lieu of any Staffordshire Woman of the Year garbage) they are bound to pick a robust local woman with an NHS connection with a hook on which to hang a cynical 'save the NHS' campaign. The Tories, unable to run buses after the whole expenses she-bang, won't be able to ship people up on buses, and UKIP, ostensibly in with a shout having been 2nd in 2015, will run not much better than Oldham W ("I'm dreaming of a white Christmas...")
Once the fascistic Hope not Hate get up there... it's a forgone conclusion. Amazed expectations don't get damped down.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 14, 2017 21:17:48 GMT
The link you have given does not even show a house in Stoke-on-Trent, but rather in Werrington, Staffordshire Moorlands. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 14, 2017 21:18:48 GMT
Could just as easily be Leeds |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 14, 2017 21:21:16 GMT
The link you have given does not even show a house in Stoke-on-Trent, but rather in Werrington, Staffordshire Moorlands. Yes quite. No doubt the prices become massively higher once you go a couple of miles into Stoke itself  |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 14, 2017 21:25:48 GMT
I think Pete's planning his move now! |
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Post by thirdchill on Jan 14, 2017 23:41:10 GMT
PS two words: "Chris Williamson" What, he's going to try for this selection and lose it as well? Williamson losing again in a selection would be no bad thing for the labour party: |
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Post by thirdchill on Jan 14, 2017 23:45:00 GMT
Aaah, but would you want to vote in stoke local authority elections though? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 23:52:25 GMT
Stoke Council is the (un)official local authority of this Forum, though, so there's some connection, if not an official attachment.
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 15, 2017 0:48:54 GMT
Could just as easily be Leeds Or indeed a dozen other cities in England. There seems to be an unhealthy level of sneering in this thread and perhaps that also contributes towards Stoke being a UKIP sort of place. |
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Post by Adrian on Jan 15, 2017 1:31:51 GMT
The further I'm away, the nicer it seems. |
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Post by warofdreams on Jan 15, 2017 2:02:02 GMT
I don't know Stoke, but looking at the recent results, Labour must be favourites here, though the party's recent vote shares have been poor. The Lib Dems have far too far to come, and UKIP would have to take a lot of Conservative votes to win. That's possible, though I suspect the Tories are riding too high in the polls for that to come off. Labour need to choose a good candidate, probably someone local or at least someone familiar with the area, who can campaign on jobs, the NHS, and the need to protect these things following Brexit.
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Post by Zardoz on Jan 15, 2017 2:08:34 GMT
I don't know Stoke, but looking at the recent results, Labour must be favourites here, though the party's recent vote shares have been poor. The Lib Dems have far too far to come, and UKIP would have to take a lot of Conservative votes to win. That's possible, though I suspect the Tories are riding too high in the polls for that to come off. Labour need to choose a good candidate, probably someone local or at least someone familiar with the area, who can campaign on jobs, the NHS, and the need to protect these things following Brexit. As a Lib Dem, I am encouraged by the pre-2015 results in Stoke. These show a solid Lib Dem base. For a variety of reasons, it's quite a long time since I've turned up to actively work in a by-election. This time, I might make the effort! |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 15, 2017 8:48:34 GMT
Could just as easily be Leeds Or indeed a dozen other cities in England. There seems to be an unhealthy level of sneering in this thread and perhaps that also contributes towards Stoke being a UKIP sort of place. Those terraced houses would be rather nice if properly maintained. The fact that they are near derelict is unlikely to be the fault of the people of Stoke, but may be making them pretty pissed off. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 15, 2017 12:25:22 GMT
Stoke is honestly a pretty ordinary, pretty humdrum kind of place. It always seems to get reported on as if it's some sort of postindustrial dystopian hellhole where every other person is an actual racist skinhead (does anyone remember the sort of sh!t that used to appear in the national press back when the BNP could win a couple of council seats on low poll shares and lower turnouts?) but that's so far from the truth that it's hard to know even where to start.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 15, 2017 12:33:03 GMT
Related: most people there do not spend all day raging about how ANGRY they are with THE ESTABLISHMENT and venting their DISILLUSIONED status. That's fantasy; pure middle class projection of one sort or another. Most people who don't vote (or don't vote often) in Stoke are like people with the same habits elsewhere; i.e. barely political and not interested. There is a certain element in the local electorate that is generally annoyed with the universe and votes all over the place to prove it, but it is a minority and quite a different set of people to those who barely/never vote.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 15, 2017 12:47:31 GMT
My experience is from the distant past. I remember the individualism of the constituent parts; how good it looked to an artist at any time but especially near rail or canal, and at twilight when wet or snowy. I remember telling the bus routes by banging the bench seats to see if the cloud was red, white or black. The strange accent and word use. And the fact that like Inverness and Rotherham, it was a place where one could get anything (Commercial/Engineering)done quickly by a small firm however arcane or odd the request. And the warm friendliness that appeared entirely genuine to a then very southern and very middle class intruder.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 15, 2017 12:50:23 GMT
My experience is from the distant past. I remember the individualism of the constituent parts; how good it looked to an artist at any time but especially near rail or canal, and at twilight when wet or snowy. I remember telling the bus routes by banging the bench seats to see if the cloud was red, white or black. The strange accent and word use. And the fact that like Inverness and Rotherham, it was a place where one could get anything (Commercial/Engineering)done quickly by a small firm however arcane or odd the request. And the warm friendliness that appeared entirely genuine to a then very southern and very middle class intruder. I like that very much. What caused the different colours of dust? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 15, 2017 12:57:57 GMT
My experience is from the distant past. I remember the individualism of the constituent parts; how good it looked to an artist at any time but especially near rail or canal, and at twilight when wet or snowy. I remember telling the bus routes by banging the bench seats to see if the cloud was red, white or black. The strange accent and word use. And the fact that like Inverness and Rotherham, it was a place where one could get anything (Commercial/Engineering)done quickly by a small firm however arcane or odd the request. And the warm friendliness that appeared entirely genuine to a then very southern and very middle class intruder. I like that very much. What caused the different colours of dust? Shelton was iron ore, kaolin for the pot banks, and coal from the pits. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 15, 2017 13:10:29 GMT
I think Stoke would possibly have been in the top three towns if only it had accepted the LNWR mainline and there had been no independent NSR serving the whole area. Only Stoke has a good train service (and that a minor loop from the West Coat mainline and Manchester/Liverpool services), with Hanley, Longton, Fenton, Burslem, Tunstall and Newcastle having very minor and completely ineffective cover by rail. If Stoke had been the great junction that is now Crewe with huge rail cover and being centre for distribution for much of the midlands, north-west and north Wales, as well as having coal, iron & steel and ceramics as base indudtries, I don't see why it would not have rivalled and possibly surpassed Manchester and Leeds? What might have been?
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 15, 2017 15:00:55 GMT
I think this is time to revive my proposal that the obvious place to send MPs while the Houses of Parliament are being renovated, is Stoke. It's got all the facilities of a city, housing is cheap, communications are good, it takes the pressure off London, and surely it would be a vote winner in Stoke itself, as well as acquainting many of our Conservative MPs with what the rest of the country looks like.
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