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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 21, 2021 10:40:20 GMT
Just a little thought as I ruminate about todays events. Joe Biden is the 46th President of the United States. He is my personal 15th POTUS, just about a third of all of them have happened in my lifetime. American history is a very short timespan, isn't it? Well, you've probably known 11 out of 25 french présidents de la République. And France's history is still long  PS: or maybe 12 if you've been around for Albert Lebrun
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Post by john07 on Jan 21, 2021 10:43:47 GMT
The first I can remember is Eisenhower (along with his Vice President Nixon). I was alive for Harry S Truman but have no recollection. I can remember the election of JFK and his assassination.
Harry S Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
John F Kennedy
Lyndon B Johnson
Richard M Nixon
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
George H W Bush
Bill Clinton
George W Bush
Barak Obama
Donald Trump
Joe Biden
That adds up to 14. Since Franklin D Roosevelt was elected for four terms it would be a big ask to get more than 15.
In fact to get more than 15 would require being born before early 1933 to collect Herbert Hoover and hence being at least 88 years of age.
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 21, 2021 11:06:34 GMT
Those of you counting presidents, esp J.G.Harston and yellowperil - to get your numbers up, you could - at a pinch - claim Cheney too when the 25th amendment was invoked when Bush had his ops My first POTUS was Johnson and the earliest I remember was Carter, though I do vaguely remember everyone being shocked about some major scandal a couple of years earlier but it went way over my head. Interesting anecdote, although Johnson was my 1st POTUS, my mother was pregnant with me with JFK was assassinated and when mum heard the news apparently she fainted (or fell over depending on whether you believe mum's or dad's version) and dislocated her hip and had to be rushed to hospital..there was even a slight chance that she could have miscarried at one point!! So Lee Harvey Oswald / the CIA / FBI / Mafia* (*delete as applicable) almost had another victim!! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2021 11:19:04 GMT
Definitely your standard anarchist types. They probably don't much like Biden and I bet they hate "top cop" Harris. Edit: I see you've found the pictures and made the same conclusion! You mean the Class War types? Standard anarchists don't smash up buildings. They just follow a political creed which rejects the liberal democratic model of governance. Yes, sorry, I mean the "propaganda of the deed" types. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 21, 2021 11:20:17 GMT
Well, you've probably known 11 out of 25 french présidents de la République. And France's history is still long PS: or maybe 12 if you've been around for Albert Lebrun
I hope we don't start counting Italian leaders or we will be here for ever. I'm half-Italian and have an active interest in Italian politics, yet I'd completely forgotten about Enrico Letta, and he was only 7 years ago. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2021 11:24:54 GMT
I hope we don't start counting Italian leaders or we will be here for ever. I'm half-Italian and have an active interest in Italian politics, yet I'd completely forgotten about Enrico Letta, and he was only 7 years ago. Renzi hates him. Which certainly raises him in my eyes. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 21, 2021 11:27:42 GMT
Just a little thought as I ruminate about todays events. Joe Biden is the 46th President of the United States. He is my personal 15th POTUS, just about a third of all of them have happened in my lifetime. American history is a very short timespan, isn't it? Well, you've probably known 11 out of 25 french présidents de la République. And France's history is still long PS: or maybe 12 if you've been around for Albert Lebrun I was indeed alive for Lebrun, not that he ever impinged much on my consciousness. Of course France has a long history but most of it royal or imperial, so republican France has a history shorter even than the United States. But a great deal more than republican England. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 21, 2021 12:14:11 GMT
Nixon's downfall through Watergate is probably my first proper political memory, along with the two British GEs the same year.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 21, 2021 12:40:00 GMT
My first memory of is of Jimmy Carter being elected (or inaugurated, not sure which) which I would obviously have learned about from John Craven's Newsround, though I have no recollection of Jim Callaghan becoming PM a few months earlier. I have a bizarre memory from the time of a Sunday school teacher asking a group of us if we knew what job Jimmy Saville had done before he was famous and I replied 'peanut farmer', getting my Jimmys mixed up (the answer they were looking for was 'coal miner' )
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Post by hullenedge on Jan 21, 2021 12:47:50 GMT
My first memory of is of Jimmy Carter being elected (or inaugurated, not sure which) which I would obviously have learned about from John Craven's Newsround, though I have no recollection of Jim Callaghan becoming PM a few months earlier. I have a bizarre memory from the time of a Sunday school teacher asking a group of us if we knew what job Jimmy Saville had done before he was famous and I replied 'peanut farmer', getting my Jimmys mixed up (the answer they were looking for was 'coal miner' ) I remember this whilst getting ready for school:- |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 12:53:30 GMT
My earliest memory of US politics is this
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Post by Izzyeviel on Jan 21, 2021 13:20:00 GMT
I remember seeing Reagan on TV a lot as a kid, nothing ever stuck in my mind. I remember this clearly.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 21, 2021 13:22:38 GMT
I remember seeing Reagan on TV a lot as a kid, nothing ever stuck in my mind. I remember this clearly. I think that's the day I moved from university. As I was loading the van one of the porters said "The Yanks have started bombing Iraq". |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 21, 2021 14:00:41 GMT
My first memory of is of Jimmy Carter being elected (or inaugurated, not sure which) which I would obviously have learned about from John Craven's Newsround, though I have no recollection of Jim Callaghan becoming PM a few months earlier. I have a bizarre memory from the time of a Sunday school teacher asking a group of us if we knew what job Jimmy Saville had done before he was famous and I replied 'peanut farmer', getting my Jimmys mixed up (the answer they were looking for was 'coal miner' ) I specifically remember the headline on JCN "Just four minutes ago, Jimmy Carter became the President of the USA". Four years later, the headline on JCN was "A historic day for America" because it was the release of the hostages by Iran on the same day as the inauguration of Reagan. I remember being aware of the name "Callaghan" in 1976 because it was similar to the name of our class teacher Mrs Carragher, but I'm not sure if I knew that he was the PM specifically or just a famous person. I remember discovering in 1977, as a result of reading a TV subtitle, that he was the "Prime Minister" rather than "pri minister" (as I had thought). It was also from Mrs Carragher that I learnt that the subject in which we run around in circles and jump about is called "P.E." and not "pee ee". |
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Post by mboy on Jan 21, 2021 20:19:43 GMT
I'm a fan of Beyonce, but I think Gaga was fantastic today and did better. Loved her dress and kit as well  Edit: clip here I didn't spot this  |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 21, 2021 22:58:00 GMT
Pass a large box of large sick bags. Wonder when they will send up his Nobel Prize? Seems late coming? |
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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 22, 2021 0:32:57 GMT
Regardless of whether they had enough info to reliably call it when they did, the proposition (by Murdoch and others) that it was bad because "it altered the narrative of election night" even though it was correct, is outrageous. It did help change the narrative - from a wrong one to a correct one. That cannot be bad, by any sane analysis. It is bad because Newsmax has been eating more of Fox's market share since election night. It's scored its first TV ratings win over Fox and is likely to eclipse it properly in the years to come. |
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Post by London Republic on Jan 22, 2021 7:16:55 GMT
It also makes you wonder about all the pro-Trumpers calling Biden a communist and socialist. I cant even imagine what they would have said if he had been up against Bernie!!Honestly? They would have likely used the same dishonest propaganda against Sanders that they used against Biden. Especially when the Far-Right (and the vast majority of the Anglo-American Conservative Right these days) have built up a terrible habit of deliberately grouping Centrists as "Socialists & Communists" alongside actual Social Democrats/Democratic Socialists and Communists, despite the various ideological differences between these different groups. A grouping I suspect happens because they all oppose the enabling & supporting of unrestricted selfishness & greed.
The only difference is that such propaganda would be less effective against Sanders than it would be against Biden, mainly because such calls would put Sanders' policies in a better light (1). Provided that the likes of CNN & MSNBC don't also demomise Democratic Socialism as well and actually make a positive case for it during any Sanders vs Trump Presidential Election. Which can be achieved by convincing the Executives of the various Big Media Companies (Disney etc.) and Telecommunications Companies (Comcast, AT&T etc.) to back a Democratic Socialist Presidential Campaign; with the incentive of Executive Positions in a future National Media and Communications Corporation (i.e. a Company which holds a monopoly over the Media and Communications Sectors, something that any Reformist Government needs to establish anyway) being provided to convince them of the "right path".
(1) In the "Well if Sanders policies are basically Socialism, maybe Socialism itself is better than we realise" sense.
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Post by London Republic on Jan 22, 2021 7:21:37 GMT
I remember you saying that about Boris and his recent bike ride. London Republic probably quoted you favorably but I have him blocked so missed it. Shall I tell you something? You can actually find out if I have actually quoted John's (1) post. Regardless I would like to point out that there is a big difference between an event of a 1,000 where everyone involved was wearing masks, all socially distancing & all having to though various COVID tests...and a guy that deliberately broke his own government's Lockdown (2).
(1) I would also like to mention that it's rather good to see that john07 is able to look past the political fanasties you love to promote on this forum.
(2) Which also shows why Boris Johnson is doing the bare minimum to control COVID, something that the various Anti-Lockdown Supporters on this forum likes to (conveniently) forget.
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Post by London Republic on Jan 22, 2021 7:23:15 GMT
Jews are an exceptional people, a thousand years of persecution have led them to prioritise education and learning over all else. It is not unreasonable to wonder if their persecution has resulted in simply immeasurable benefit to mankind. You seem to (conveniently) forget that Anti-Semitism also caused the Spanish Inquestion, WW2 (including the Holocaust) (1) and the Post-WW1 instablity in the Middle East as well. Which goes to show that Bigtory ends up benefitting no one.
(1) I would also like to bring up the fact that had FDR & Mackenzie King allowed the Jews of Europe to flee to the United States & Canada (before & during WW2), not only would they gain millions of talented individuals, but they would have also prevented the deaths of many millions as well.
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