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Post by justin124 on Dec 23, 2016 12:03:47 GMT
Islwyn had previously been Bedwelty.
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 23, 2016 12:23:55 GMT
At the 2015 local elections held on the same day as the general election, Labour didn't contest 7 of the 29 wards in the Copeland constituency. It must be relatively unusual for the party holding a seat not to contest that many wards.
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 23, 2016 12:26:42 GMT
I think that 1995 is the only Copeland DC election where Labour stood at least one candidate everywhere.
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 23, 2016 12:55:10 GMT
On a different note, will this seat have any traction for a progressive alliance? Given the importance of the nuclear industry in this seat, is it really possible to have a "progressive [sic] alliance" candidate? Would the Greens so willingly line up behind a pro nuclear Labour candidate? Would Labour pick an anti-nuclear one to attract the small Green support at the expense of being vulnerable on a local matter? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Dec 23, 2016 12:59:01 GMT
Curious result in the directly elected Mayor election held on the same day as the general:
Independent Mike Starkie 9,836 30.5% +5,397 15,233
Labour Steve Gibbons 12,867 39.9% +1,662 14,529
Conservative Chris Whiteside 9,509 29.5%
Turnout 32,212
This must be one of the highest proportions of second preferences making it to the last two (though only three candidates helps) and in turn one of the biggest first round leads for an ultimately defeated candidate. Anyone know if Starkie would stand in the by-election?
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 23, 2016 13:00:40 GMT
On a different note, will this seat have any traction for a progressive alliance? Given the importance of the nuclear industry in this seat, is it really possible to have a "progressive [sic] alliance" candidate? Would the Greens so willingly line up behind a pro nuclear Labour candidate? Would Labour pick an anti-nuclear one to attract the small Green support at the expense of being vulnerable on a local matter? No, no and er, no. IMHO. |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 23, 2016 13:04:18 GMT
At the 2015 local elections held on the same day as the general election, Labour didn't contest 7 of the 29 wards in the Copeland constituency. It must be relatively unusual for the party holding a seat not to contest that many wards. I imagine there are a few where this is the case, given the prevelance of Independents etc in some local authority areas... |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 23, 2016 13:20:13 GMT
Curious result in the directly elected Mayor election held on the same day as the general: Independent Mike Starkie 9,836 30.5% +5,397 15,233 Labour Steve Gibbons 12,867 39.9% +1,662 14,529 Conservative Chris Whiteside 9,509 29.5% Turnout 32,212 This must be one of the highest proportions of second preferences making it to the last two (though only three candidates helps) and in turn one of the biggest first round leads for an ultimately defeated candidate. Anyone know if Starkie would stand in the by-election? Highly unlikely, he seems quite happy in his present post. Gibbons would be the runaway favourite to be Labour's candidate in this byelection if he hadn't passed away totally unexpectedly a few months ago. |
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Post by neilm on Dec 23, 2016 15:07:55 GMT
I'm sure his drug addiction didn't exactly help either. I remember a documentary that said that, of the defendants at Nuremberg, Goering was the most intelligent and eloquent under interrogation, once he was off the drugs. Even above Rosenberg and Speer. Whereas the likes of Ley were lunatics and jumped-up opportunists. Likely based on Gustave Gilbert's observations. I've never sat down and looked over them properly, but the bits I've seen/read are really interesting. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 23, 2016 15:12:27 GMT
I remember a documentary that said that, of the defendants at Nuremberg, Goering was the most intelligent and eloquent under interrogation, once he was off the drugs. Even above Rosenberg and Speer. Whereas the likes of Ley were lunatics and jumped-up opportunists. Likely based on Gustave Gilbert's observations. I've never sat down and looked over them properly, but the bits I've seen/read are really interesting. It shows the enormity of the times that a man as interesting as Gilbert is a footnote. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 23, 2016 15:23:43 GMT
Copeland registered the lowest Alliance share of the vote in England in 1987 with 9.1%, and the 10th lowest in the UK: Copeland: 9.1% Blaenau Gwent: 8.9% Rhondda: 8.2% Merthyr Tydfil & Rhymney: 8.1% Motherwell North: 8.0% Glasgow Springburn: 7.9% Angus East: 7.8% Glasgow Provan: 7.2% Ynys Mon: 6.7% Dundee East: 4.6% Hardly surprising-Copeland has never registered a Liberal/Alliance/Lib Dem vote of greater than 15.9% in its long history and it regularly registers one of the lowest Lib Dem shares in England (although 2015 was an exception because there were so many other English seats where the Lib Dems performed even worse!) at general elections. Only two LD councillors have ever been elected throughout the entire history of the district of Copeland. 1979 election: Liberal share in Whitehaven at 5.9% was the 7th lowest in England and the 11th lowest in UK. Whitehaven 5.93 Gateshead West 5.89 Birmingham Yardley 5.87 Caernarvon 5.70 Birmingham Stechford 5.37 Glasgow Cathcart 5.35 Manchester Central 5.27 Coventry North East 4.86 Angus South 4.83 Dundee East 4.64 Western Isles 4.63 Birmingham Perry Barr 4.61 Merthyr Tydfil 4.06 |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 23, 2016 15:30:20 GMT
I thought Ebbw Vale became Blaenau Gwent*...? * With parts going to Merthyr Tydfil & RhymneyWhen I worked in the by-election following Neil Kinnocks's departure we decided Islwyn meant "heavy rain". as in "It's slewing it down" |
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Post by Antiochian on Dec 23, 2016 15:51:26 GMT
Hardly surprising-Copeland has never registered a Liberal/Alliance/Lib Dem vote of greater than 15.9% in its long history and it regularly registers one of the lowest Lib Dem shares in England (although 2015 was an exception because there were so many other English seats where the Lib Dems performed even worse!) at general elections. Only two LD councillors have ever been elected throughout the entire history of the district of Copeland. 1979 election: Liberal share in Whitehaven at 5.9% was the 7th lowest in England and the 11th lowest in UK. Whitehaven 5.93 Gateshead West 5.89 Birmingham Yardley 5.87 Caernarvon 5.70 Birmingham Stechford 5.37 Glasgow Cathcart 5.35 Manchester Central 5.27 Coventry North East 4.86 Angus South 4.83 Dundee East 4.64 Western Isles 4.63 Birmingham Perry Barr 4.61 Merthyr Tydfil 4.06 The shame... Caernarvon Boroughs was the seat Lloyd-George held for 55 years |
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Post by Eastwood on Dec 23, 2016 16:14:53 GMT
A notable one from Scotlmd would be Eastwood becoming East Renfrewshire. Wrong way round ;-) In 1983 East Renfrewshire was renamed Eastwood after the district that had been established in 1975. |
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Post by Eastwood on Dec 23, 2016 16:16:11 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 23, 2016 16:42:35 GMT
LD share in Copeland in 1992 was the 12th lowest in England and the 51st lowest in the UK.
England only:
Copeland 7.65
Lancs W 7.64
Westminster N 7.49
B'ham Smll Hth 7.41
Tooting 7.39
Wolv' NE 7.25
Glanford 7.19
Battersea 7.00
Slough 6.99
Bootle 6.57
Workington 6.45
Knowsley N 4.27
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 23, 2016 16:58:53 GMT
Copeland is one of only eight constituencies to have an episode of 'Interceptor' made there.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 23, 2016 17:21:49 GMT
There's free beer?   Yep,apparently you have to upgrade to premium for the good stuff I've had a free Diet Coke courtesy of being on here. Thanks Joe!  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 23, 2016 17:23:53 GMT
The seat was known as Whitehaven until 1983 when the boundary commission decided for some reason that they should use the names of local authorities whenever possible. So in 1983 a lot of seats had their names changed from the name of the main town in the constituency to the name of the district or borough. For example, in 1983 Beeston became Broxtowe, Carlton -> Gedling, Kidderminster -> Wyre Forest, Whitehaven -> Copeland, Accrington -> Hyndburn, Nelson & Colne -> Pendle, Ebbw Vale -> Islwyn Blaenau Gwent, Bedwellty -> Islwyn. Wasn't Bedwellty renamed Islwyn to provide Kinnock with two constituencies whose names he couldn't pronounce? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 23, 2016 17:28:55 GMT
1979 election: Liberal share in Whitehaven at 5.9% was the 7th lowest in England and the 11th lowest in UK. Whitehaven 5.93 Gateshead West 5.89 Birmingham Yardley 5.87 Caernarvon 5.70 Birmingham Stechford 5.37 Glasgow Cathcart 5.35 Manchester Central 5.27 Coventry North East 4.86 Angus South 4.83 Dundee East 4.64 Western Isles 4.63 Birmingham Perry Barr 4.61 Merthyr Tydfil 4.06 The shame... Caernarvon Boroughs was the seat Lloyd-George held for 55 years Well yes, but ... Caernarfon and Caernarvon Boroughs were very different seats. |
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