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Post by finsobruce on Jan 20, 2017 14:50:41 GMT
This leaves scarcely a few days from now for everyone to get their nominations in (ten days at most for both by-elections). Do you think they'll manage? |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 20, 2017 14:57:07 GMT
I have a vague fantasy about these being counter-intuitive, a bit like the two by-elections in 1976. Marginal Copeland being held comfortably, but Stoke being gained by either Conservative or UKIP. Or UKIP flopping in Stoke, and Lib Dems randomly winning Copeland. Or whatever. The boring reality is that Labour will probably hold both relatively comfortably in spite of the excited anticipation of psepholanoraks like us.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 20, 2017 15:00:17 GMT
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 20, 2017 15:19:14 GMT
This leaves scarcely a few days from now for everyone to get their nominations in (ten days at most for both by-elections). Do you think they'll manage? Steven Woolfe has quit UKIP so that shouldn't be an issue. |
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Post by right on Jan 20, 2017 15:45:06 GMT
I have a vague fantasy about these being counter-intuitive, a bit like the two by-elections in 1976. Marginal Copeland being held comfortably, but Stoke being gained by either Conservative or UKIP. Or UKIP flopping in Stoke, and Lib Dems randomly winning Copeland. Or whatever. The boring reality is that Labour will probably hold both relatively comfortably in spite of the excited anticipation of psepholanoraks like us. I'm wondering why these aren't being held on local election night. Is it worry that a head of steam could build up behind a non Labour candidate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 16:14:31 GMT
Can't imagine many fringe candidates getting the money and nominations together in just ten days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 16:18:54 GMT
Bloody hell, Italian is a hard language to read. It's the lack of initial aitches that throw me compared to other Romance languages, I think. I can see how 'hyenas' becomes 'iene' when the translation is right underneath, but without it such a word would be very difficult to decipher. I'm not sure why goodoldcause felt the need to specify 'Duchess of Palma di Montechiaro' in his edit. The Duchess of Palma de Mallorca was stripped of her title a couple of years ago. Is there a third Duchess of Palma of whom I am unaware? For anyone who is wondering what this is about, the dukedom of Palma di Montechiaro is one of the Sicilian titles belonging to the Tomasi family. The (former) Duchess of Palma de Mallorca is a member of the Spanish Royal House. If anyone knows of any other duchesses of Palma, please let Foggy know, as he collects them. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 20, 2017 16:20:59 GMT
Can't imagine many fringe candidates getting the money and nominations together in just ten days. The nominations should be easy, its only 10 signatures plus a small bit of paperwork. A lot of them might have trouble getting the deposit in such a short timescale, though. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 20, 2017 16:38:02 GMT
Tories have not selected yet.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 20, 2017 19:30:42 GMT
I have a vague fantasy about these being counter-intuitive, a bit like the two by-elections in 1976. Marginal Copeland being held comfortably, but Stoke being gained by either Conservative or UKIP. Or UKIP flopping in Stoke, and Lib Dems randomly winning Copeland. Or whatever. The boring reality is that Labour will probably hold both relatively comfortably in spite of the excited anticipation of psepholanoraks like us. I'm wondering why these aren't being held on local election night. Is it worry that a head of steam could build up behind a non Labour candidate? A question to which the answer is Yes. (Probably) Will almost certainly stop the City Independents doing anything significant in Stoke. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 20, 2017 19:33:13 GMT
Can't imagine many fringe candidates getting the money and nominations together in just ten days. The nominations should be easy, its only 10 signatures plus a small bit of paperwork. A lot of them might have trouble getting the deposit in such a short timescale, though. Yes, but ... Where located the Elections Office? What is their attitude to releasing Registers? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 19:34:31 GMT
Can't imagine many fringe candidates getting the money and nominations together in just ten days. You say that as if it's a bad thing? No, I merely typed it, you have read it as though I used a negative tone. |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 20, 2017 20:19:39 GMT
I'm not sure why goodoldcause felt the need to specify 'Duchess of Palma di Montechiaro' in his edit. The Duchess of Palma de Mallorca was stripped of her title a couple of years ago. Is there a third Duchess of Palma of whom I am unaware? The dukedom of Palma di Montechiaro is one of the Sicilian titles belonging to the Tomasi family. The (former) Duchess of Palma de Mallorca is a member of the Spanish Royal House. Yes, I know that. If it was so clear that you were talking about the Sicilian one (on a thread about Whitehaven, obviously) and there isn't another Duchess of Palma we don't know about, then you had even less reason to specify. On topic: no Tory candidate yet, but the writ has now been moved? Probable Labour hold, then. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 20, 2017 20:25:23 GMT
The dukedom of Palma di Montechiaro is one of the Sicilian titles belonging to the Tomasi family. The (former) Duchess of Palma de Mallorca is a member of the Spanish Royal House. Yes, I know that. If it was so clear that you were talking about the Sicilian one (on a thread about Whitehaven, obviously) and there isn't another Duchess of Palma we don't know about, then you had even less reason to specify. On topic: no Tory candidate yet, but the writ has now been moved? Probable Labour hold, then. Well, now we've established that the former Duchess of Palma de Mallorca needs a gig, I hope she stands. It is about time we had a former member of the Spanish Royal family representing a North-Western constituency. This country still has a long way to go when it comes to diversity. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 20, 2017 20:29:04 GMT
There's a pretty obvious pattern now. Corbynites - however defined - are not getting selected. Momentum is faction-ridden at the top and not exactly overwhelming on the ground. There's talk once more of front-bench resignations, though maybe it's just talk. The polls are dire. La commedia e finita? Well not quite. But can it really drag on till 2020? Yes. Or until the Islington Pagliacco tops himself or stabs La Divina Diana. Presumably she will have to sing first. PS I will now always see ol' Jezza as the Islington Pagliacco. Thankyou. |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 20, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
Yes, I know that. If it was so clear that you were talking about the Sicilian one (on a thread about Whitehaven, obviously) and there isn't another Duchess of Palma we don't know about, then you had even less reason to specify. On topic: no Tory candidate yet, but the writ has now been moved? Probable Labour hold, then. Well, now we've established that the former Duchess of Palma de Mallorca needs a gig, I hope she stands. It is about time we had a former member of the Spanish Royal family representing a North-Western constituency. This country still has a long way to go when it comes to diversity. She may be corrupt and greedy enough to be a Tory candidate, but I do not believe she is eligible to stand for an election to the UK Parliament. Cumbria County Council, on the other hand... |
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Post by neilm on Jan 20, 2017 22:02:16 GMT
Yes, I know that. If it was so clear that you were talking about the Sicilian one (on a thread about Whitehaven, obviously) and there isn't another Duchess of Palma we don't know about, then you had even less reason to specify. On topic: no Tory candidate yet, but the writ has now been moved? Probable Labour hold, then. Well, now we've established that the former Duchess of Palma de Mallorca needs a gig, I hope she stands. It is about time we had a former member of the Spanish Royal family representing a North-Western constituency. This country still has a long way to go when it comes to diversity. She's a current member. She's the sister of the current king and sixth in line to the throne. She only lost her title when her Barcelona resident, Basque husband (those things go down really well in Madrid) got accused of something dodgy (the Noos case). It was a bit strange, I read that Felipe indicated in private that he wanted to strip her of the title and then she wrote asking to be stripped of it, which was then promulgated. She's merely an infanta now. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 20, 2017 22:06:50 GMT
Well, now we've established that the former Duchess of Palma de Mallorca needs a gig, I hope she stands. It is about time we had a former member of the Spanish Royal family representing a North-Western constituency. This country still has a long way to go when it comes to diversity. She's a current member. She's the sister of the current king and sixth in line to the throne. She only lost her title when her Barcelona resident, Basque husband (those things go down really well in Madrid) got accused of something dodgy (the Noos case). It was a bit strange, I read that Felipe indicated in private that he wanted to strip her of the title and then she wrote asking to be stripped of it, which was then promulgated. She's merely an infanta now. Christ, Neil, for a second I read your first sentence and thought you were telling me she was a member of the Tory party. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 20, 2017 22:10:06 GMT
The nominations should be easy, its only 10 signatures plus a small bit of paperwork. A lot of them might have trouble getting the deposit in such a short timescale, though. Yes, but ... Where located the Elections Office? What is their attitude to releasing Registers? Whitehaven for Copeland. Near to the Stoke station in Stoke Central. |
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