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Post by right on Jan 18, 2017 22:33:04 GMT
Be amazed if they didn't put someone up, but Tories concentrating on Copeland and UKIP on Stoke could stretch Labour. Neither Leigh nor Walton have a big Liberal or Green presence, which must be reassuring. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jan 18, 2017 22:39:20 GMT
UKIP will surely put up a candidate here. Not to do so would underline the impression that they've pretty much fulfilled their raison d'être, that they are in terminal decline and lacking in resources.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 0:25:45 GMT
UKIP will surely put up a candidate here. Not to do so would underline the impression that they've pretty much fulfilled their raison d'être, that they are in terminal decline and lacking in resources. sounds about right now the money men have walked |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 19, 2017 0:43:33 GMT
UKIP will surely put up a candidate here. Not to do so would underline the impression that they've pretty much fulfilled their raison d'être, that they are in terminal decline and lacking in resources. sounds about right now the money men have walked Or has he? Is he going to keep two horses running at the same time? |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 19, 2017 9:15:45 GMT
Neither Leigh nor Walton have a big Liberal or Green presence, which must be reassuring. True in the case of Leigh but in the early 90s the LD's held most of the wards in Walton at a local level. Now they get derisory votes and their former local lead councillor is doing time for sex offences |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 19, 2017 10:50:28 GMT
I have just noticed the wonderful Lampedusa quote on your avatar. A profound perception from a great book. I love the word gattopardo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 11:14:14 GMT
I have just noticed the wonderful Lampedusa quote on your avatar. A profound perception from a great book. I love the word gattopardo. It took me 53 years (until Tuesday) to see Visconti's film of the Prince of Lampedusa's novel "The Leopard", which was made in 1963, the year after I was born. One of the reasons I took so long to see the film was fear that it would spoil my memory of the book, which has had an honoured place in my library for decades. In particular, I must admit I felt a degree of incredulity at the casting of Burt Lancaster as 1. an Italian prince in 2. an Italian-language film. However, he's actually pretty good. [For any who are unfamiliar with "The Leopard", it is based on the experiences of the author's great-grandfather Don Giulio Fabrizio Tomasi, Prince of Lampedusa, and is set in Sicily at the time of the unification of Italy, which symbolises the end of the old feudal ways and the triumph of modernity] Some memorable quotes from the book (most of which are in the film) - Se vogliamo che tutto rimanga come è, bisogna che tutto cambi. If we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
Un palazzo del quale si conoscessero tutte le stanze non era degno di essere abitato. A palace of which one knew every room wasn't worth living in.
Un contadino che mi dà il suo pezzo di pecorino mi fa un regalo più grande di Giulio Làscari quando m’invita a pranzo. Il guaio è che il pecorino mi dà la nausea; e così non resta che la gratitudine che non si vede e il naso arricciato dal disgusto che si vede fin troppo. When a peasant gives me his bit of cheese he's making me a bigger present than the Prince of Làscari when he invites me to dinner. That's obvious. The difficulty is that the cheese is nauseating. So all that remains is the heart's gratitude which can't be seen and the nose wrinkled in disgust which can be seen only too well.
Che cosa se ne farebbe il Senato di me, di un legislatore inesperto cui manca la facoltà d'ingannare sé stesso, questo requisito essenziale per chi voglia guidare gli altri? What would the Senate do with me, an inexperienced legislator who lacks the faculty of self-deception, essential requisite for anyone wanting to guide others.
Noi fummo i Gattopardi, i Leoni; quelli che ci sostituiranno saranno gli sciacalletti, le iene; e tutti quanti Gattopardi, sciacalli e pecore, continueremo a crederci il sale della terra. We were the Leopards, the Lions; those who'll take our place will be little jackals, hyenas; and the whole lot of us, leopards, jackals, and sheep, we'll all go on thinking ourselves the salt of the earth.
I giovani sentono i dolori più acerbamente dei vecchi: per questi l'uscita di sicurezza è più vicina. The young feel sorrows much more sharply that the old; the latter are nearer the safety exit.
By a strange coincidence, there were two Lampedusa-related developments the day after I saw the film. Firstly, I discovered that apartments in the restored Palazzo Lampedusa in Palermo (the bombing of which in WWII inspired the author to write the novel) are available at a modest rent via AirBnB (so accommodation for our projected Sicily trip is now taken care of), and the wife of Lampedusa's heir (a cousin he adopted) made a cameo appearance on "Rick's Weekends" on BBC2 (it seems she is a well-known cook). |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 19, 2017 13:09:09 GMT
I have just noticed the wonderful Lampedusa quote on your avatar. A profound perception from a great book. I love the word gattopardo. It took me 53 years (until Tuesday) to see Visconti's film of the Prince of Lampedusa's novel "The Leopard", which was made in 1963, the year after I was born. One of the reasons I took so long to see the film was fear that it would spoil my memory of the book, which has had an honoured place in my library for decades. In particular, I must admit I felt a degree of incredulity at the casting of Burt Lancaster as 1. an Italian prince in 2. an Italian-language film. However, he's actually pretty good. [For any who are unfamiliar with "The Leopard", it is based on the experiences of the author's great-grandfather Don Giulio Fabrizio Tomasi, Prince of Lampedusa, and is set in Sicily at the time of the unification of Italy, which symbolises the end of the old feudal ways and the triumph of modernity] Some memorable quotes from the book (most of which are in the film) - Se vogliamo che tutto rimanga come è, bisogna che tutto cambi. If we want things to stay as they are, things will have to change.
Un palazzo del quale si conoscessero tutte le stanze non era degno di essere abitato. A palace of which one knew every room wasn't worth living in.
Un contadino che mi dà il suo pezzo di pecorino mi fa un regalo più grande di Giulio Làscari quando m’invita a pranzo. Il guaio è che il pecorino mi dà la nausea; e così non resta che la gratitudine che non si vede e il naso arricciato dal disgusto che si vede fin troppo. When a peasant gives me his bit of cheese he's making me a bigger present than the Prince of Làscari when he invites me to dinner. That's obvious. The difficulty is that the cheese is nauseating. So all that remains is the heart's gratitude which can't be seen and the nose wrinkled in disgust which can be seen only too well.
Che cosa se ne farebbe il Senato di me, di un legislatore inesperto cui manca la facoltà d'ingannare sé stesso, questo requisito essenziale per chi voglia guidare gli altri? What would the Senate do with me, an inexperienced legislator who lacks the faculty of self-deception, essential requisite for anyone wanting to guide others.
Noi fummo i Gattopardi, i Leoni; quelli che ci sostituiranno saranno gli sciacalletti, le iene; e tutti quanti Gattopardi, sciacalli e pecore, continueremo a crederci il sale della terra. We were the Leopards, the Lions; those who'll take our place will be little jackals, hyenas; and the whole lot of us, leopards, jackals, and sheep, we'll all go on thinking ourselves the salt of the earth.
I giovani sentono i dolori più acerbamente dei vecchi: per questi l'uscita di sicurezza è più vicina. The young feel sorrows much more sharply that the old; the latter are nearer the safety exit.
By a strange coincidence, there were two Lampedusa-related developments the day after I saw the film. Firstly, I discovered that apartments in the restored Palazzo Lampedusa in Palermo (the bombing of which in WWII inspired the author to write the novel) are available at a modest rent via AirBnB (so accommodation for our projected Sicily trip is now taken care of), and the wife of Lampedusa's heir (a cousin he adopted) made a cameo appearance on "Rick's Weekends" on BBC2 (it seems she is a well-known cook). Ma che volete da me? Sono un uomo vigoroso. E come posso accontentarmi di una donna che a letto si fa il segno della croce prima di ogni abbraccio, e che dopo non sa dire che «Gesumaria»? Sette figli ho avuto da lei, e sapete che cosa vi dico, padre? Non ho mai visto il suo ombelico. Eh? È giusto questo? Lo chiedo a voi, padre: è giusto? È lei la peccatrice! |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 19, 2017 13:16:47 GMT
Noi vogliamo glorificare la guerra - sola igiene del mondo - il militarismo, il patriottismo, il gesto distruttore dei libertari, le belle idee per cui si muore e il disprezzo della donna.
Noi vogliamo distruggere i musei, le biblioteche, le accademie d'ogni specie, e combattere contro il moralismo, il femminismo e contro ogni viltà opportunistica o utilitaria
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:21:55 GMT
Ma che volete da me? Sono un uomo vigoroso. E come posso accontentarmi di una donna che a letto si fa il segno della croce prima di ogni abbraccio, e che dopo non sa dire che «Gesumaria»? Sette figli ho avuto da lei, e sapete che cosa vi dico, padre? Non ho mai visto il suo ombelico. Eh? È giusto questo? Lo chiedo a voi, padre: è giusto? È lei la peccatrice! [The Prince's confessor reproaches him for infidelity. He responds] What would you have of me? I'm a vigorous man. I can't find satisfaction with a woman who crosses herself in bed before every embrace, and can only say "Gesummaria" afterwards. I've had seven children with her and I've never seen her navel. Is that right? I ask you. *She's* the sinner! |
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Post by mrpastelito on Jan 19, 2017 13:24:32 GMT
I wonder what the good people of Copeland make of the gattopardo  |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 19, 2017 13:27:16 GMT
I wonder what the good people of Copeland make of the gattopardo Donnafugata is based on Cleator Moor. Did you not know? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 13:31:16 GMT
Noi vogliamo glorificare la guerra - sola igiene del mondo - il militarismo, il patriottismo, il gesto distruttore dei libertari, le belle idee per cui si muore e il disprezzo della donna. Noi vogliamo distruggere i musei, le biblioteche, le accademie d'ogni specie, e combattere contro il moralismo, il femminismo e contro ogni viltà opportunistica o utilitaria Did you see the Futurism exhibition in Tate Modern a few years ago? EDIT: The Manifesto of Futurism, from which Pete's quote comes. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 19, 2017 13:53:07 GMT
Noi vogliamo glorificare la guerra - sola igiene del mondo - il militarismo, il patriottismo, il gesto distruttore dei libertari, le belle idee per cui si muore e il disprezzo della donna. Noi vogliamo distruggere i musei, le biblioteche, le accademie d'ogni specie, e combattere contro il moralismo, il femminismo e contro ogni viltà opportunistica o utilitaria Did you see the Futurism exhibition in Tate Modern a few years ago? EDIT: The Manifesto of FuturismI'm not much of one for art museums tbh but I did go to a Wynham Lewis exhibition in the National Gallery a few years ago.. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 19, 2017 15:42:26 GMT
Bloody hell, Italian is a hard language to read.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 16:21:05 GMT
I wonder what the good people of Copeland make of the gattopardo A digression, but I think it has run its course. Not much to say about Copeland at the moment, anyway. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 19, 2017 16:23:39 GMT
Bloody hell, Italian is a hard language to read. Facile.  |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 19, 2017 20:47:33 GMT
Bloody hell, Italian is a hard language to read. It's the lack of initial aitches that throw me compared to other Romance languages, I think. I can see how 'hyenas' becomes 'iene' when the translation is right underneath, but without it such a word would be very difficult to decipher. I'm not sure why goodoldcause felt the need to specify 'Duchess of Palma di Montechiaro' in his edit. The Duchess of Palma de Mallorca was stripped of her title a couple of years ago. Is there a third Duchess of Palma of whom I am unaware? |
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