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Post by johnr on Jan 12, 2017 15:30:15 GMT
Will be interesting to see the eventual Shortlist, as apparently Glenis Willmott is unable to attend todays meeting in London....
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 12, 2017 15:33:31 GMT
So she doesn't have a stand-in?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 16:00:26 GMT
It wasn't his comments about Jez, but seeming to blame SLab's platform being a bit more left for the dreadful result. That's just rubbish. But as you say, things get said in the heat of the moment. Let's see how he conducts himself now  Well, he had the benefit of having spoken to more voters than some of those higher up the Mid Scotland and Fife Labour list..... That was a shite list all together or Altogether Now That was a shite list Not saying Fife Labour are away with it but Racing Night fundraisers |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 12, 2017 17:00:57 GMT
For me, this shows the problem with the whole concept, which is that nobody can agree on what progressive means. Oh, it's clear, Progressive means anti-socialist alliance |
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Post by jamie on Jan 12, 2017 19:00:53 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 12, 2017 19:02:59 GMT
That's actually a good shortlist.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 12, 2017 19:55:29 GMT
Some further thoughts on the progressive alliance, with Tom Brake pretty much saying that the Lib Dems won't be a part of it: linkOne paragraph that stood out for me (emphasis is mine): "Instead, she will be fighting a Labour opponent in a seat the Tories will hope to gain. But ultimately we will not help progressive politics if we stand aside for Corbyn’s Labour, which would merely give the left false hope that someone of the hard left could become Prime Minister. To us, a Eurosceptic statist such as Corbyn is not even progressive. By doing well ourselves, the Lib Dems will strengthen the hand of Labour moderates to seize back control of their party, or else leave it entirely. Only then will re-alignment be back on the agenda." For me, this shows the problem with the whole concept, which is that nobody can agree on what progressive means. It's quite hard to argue with progress as a concept, so seemingly everyone thinks that their ideology is progressive, and everyone else's isn't. I'm sure there are plenty enough Labour and Green supporting people out there reading this article and thinking, "But the Lib Dems aren't progressive, they went into coalition with the Tories." We should largely accept that we are separate parties because we have distinctive ideologies, yes we can agree on many things and should work together at the appropriate time, but that should not involve removing choice from the electorate by not standing against one another. The other problem that I have with it is that it's all very well discussing this at a by-election, and maybe that can lead to a few gains, but what happens at the next general election? For me, and I'd imagine many (if not most) other Lib Dems a Jeremy Corbyn premiership would not be a positive outcome of the next general election, so why should we form an alliance with that as its central aim? Tend to agree. I am in favour of electoral reform and should Labour finally realise it makes sense for us to go down that path, then I do think that there would be good reason for an alliance on that issue alone. Thing is in some areas it might actually mean the parties both standing candidates , in others, that one or the other stands down. |
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Post by markf on Jan 12, 2017 22:14:34 GMT
I hope Corbyn goes before the next GE
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 12, 2017 22:21:05 GMT
I think she is a parish councillor..? elected in a fairly recent by-election?? Rings a bell... She came second in the Cockermouth S division in Cumbria in 2013, half of which is in Copeland constituency.. I daresay if the Lib Dems could win that and Keswick in May that would be mission accomplished... |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 12, 2017 22:31:32 GMT
Tricia Clarke: CWU activist. Contested the Carlisle selection before the 2010 election. Lives in Islington. Allied to the 'Labour Representation Committee'. Lives in Islington. I think I get why she didn't make the shortlist. |
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Post by justin124 on Jan 13, 2017 0:14:57 GMT
I am of the Left but there is no way that I would vote for a candidate selected from a Gender Vetted Shortlist.
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 13, 2017 0:18:32 GMT
was it an 'all women shortlist', or just a shortlist that was all women. Why would men have been on the long list if it was a formal AWS?
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 13, 2017 0:19:51 GMT
Since male candidates were free to put themselves forward - and did so - it is no such thing.
Unless you also want to count all the many de facto "all men shortlists" down the years as "gender vetted" as well.
(for the record, we chose from six male candidates before the 2005 GE - even though strictly speaking this was against the rules)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 13, 2017 0:22:51 GMT
I am of the Left but there is no way that I would vote for a candidate selected from a Gender Vetted Shortlist. Where's the evidence it was gender vetted? With a longlist of 8 (four men, four women), and if you assume that the shortlist had to be three, the probability of picking three women at random is 7% so not massively improbable. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 13, 2017 0:24:15 GMT
Though what are the conventions - if any - about the size of the eventual shortlist these days?
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 13, 2017 0:34:22 GMT
It will be Troughton and visceral weaponized campaign centred and honed on the NHS. That is probably the best defensive tactic for Labour in a difficult climate.
She is described as a trained orthopaedic surgeon, as opposed to the many NHS untrained surgeons, there of course because of the cuts to the NHS and the Conservatives having closed all the training courses as part of austerity.
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Post by anthony on Jan 13, 2017 8:13:55 GMT
I think she is a parish councillor..? elected in a fairly recent by-election?? Rings a bell... She came second in the Cockermouth S division in Cumbria in 2013, half of which is in Copeland constituency.. I daresay if the Lib Dems could win that and Keswick in May that would be mission accomplished... Yes, sorry, I hadn't seen it was Parish at the time. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 13, 2017 11:12:08 GMT
It will be Troughton and visceral weaponized campaign centred and honed on the NHS. That is probably the best defensive tactic for Labour in a difficult climate. She is described as a trained orthopaedic surgeon, as opposed to the many NHS untrained surgeons, there of course because of the cuts to the NHS and the Conservatives having closed all the training courses as part of austerity. FWIW, the favourite appears to be Holliday. All three could have a shout, though. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 13, 2017 11:48:26 GMT
It will be Troughton and visceral weaponized campaign centred and honed on the NHS. That is probably the best defensive tactic for Labour in a difficult climate. She is described as a trained orthopaedic surgeon, as opposed to the many NHS untrained surgeons, there of course because of the cuts to the NHS and the Conservatives having closed all the training courses as part of austerity. FWIW, the favourite appears to be Holliday. All three could have a shout, though. You backing her? |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 13, 2017 11:51:57 GMT
Genuinely undecided as yet.
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